Rodgers Wants Out

[rpiotr01]

Not what my point was. It’s was not Rodgers thing. Sure big market media would be over this and probably crucify the guy. My point was / is Murphy and the organization can control the Wisconsin media more than probably any team in the league. It’s the “states team” and has been for decades

This is changing the subject, but US media in general has been almost entirely captured by the power they're supposed to be covering and holding to account. At the local sports level, sure the NY Post will run its headlines but the days of a paper going to war with George Steinbrenner are over. They all treat ownership with kid gloves. Hell, I can tell you even here, it's amazing how Jets ownership just gets a pass for one debacle after another, the buck always stops with the GM and not the guys who hired the GM. Fancy a guess why?

You say that Murphy can control the WI media, but frankly the media tends to control and censor itself. The big guys up top don't need to life a finger.

 

[GBP4EVER]

Denver Broncos since Thursday have had more bets on them to win the Super Bowl then all the other teams combined. Packers on most sportsbooks have been pulled off the board.

 

[FlaPack]

This is changing the subject, but US media in general has been almost entirely captured by the power they're supposed to be covering and holding to account. At the local sports level, sure the NY Post will run its headlines but the days of a paper going to war with George Steinbrenner are over. They all treat ownership with kid gloves. Hell, I can tell you even here, it's amazing how Jets ownership just gets a pass for one debacle after another, the buck always stops with the GM and not the guys who hired the GM. Fancy a guess why?

You say that Murphy can control the WI media, but frankly the media tends to control and censor itself. The big guys up top don't need to life a finger.

I get your point and it’s valid but with a caveat. A market like NY is a media war amongst themselves. It’s a ratings war on radio. I remember having a conversation with folks and WFAN & WPEN on this subject last year. It’s not just radio, it’s every tabloid in the market. They give teams a pass because they want access in the largest and most competitive media market in the world. GB is different. The local rags don’t have much competition if any, Milwaukee is the “real” media market. Sources are minimal and not consistent or accurate, easy to control that narrative

 

[Terranimal]

Did Manning, Brady, Brees have input into personnel decisions? Seems like last offseason, Rodgers was heavily involved with ML with the offensive scheme / design from what I remember. I'm not saying I don't think Rodgers should be involved, I don't think any of us know how much they do listen to his suggestions. To quote Robert Guillaume from an episode of Sports Night "Just because we don't implement all of your suggestions, doesn't mean we're not listening."
Regardless - Rodgers feels his input should be given more weight.

The short answer is yes. Went into on NFL yesterday. The real answer is more deep.

All of this could have been avoided by FO even with drafting Love had they done a simple thing of either talking to AR before or right after making the pick.

League wise your top Qbs are starting to have more involvement and say their piece.

The difference here, outside of what I think Pack nailed it, is that every other player on rosters face competition at their position and have FO do things that upset them. But at the end of the day they do their job and move on.

Rodgers a month back said he loved football and wants to playa for years. Yet now he's talking of walking away, which only way that will happen us retirement. That brings into question how much does he really love football?

Another thought which is uglier is that he played at the MVP level to smite the team and looks like he's out to hurt the team for upcoming future cuz of hurt feelings. Not my personal thought, but some NFL guys.

In the court of public opinion, some still hold a grudge towards Favre. With Rodgers he is on the losing side of public support.

Most hope the sides can work things out. But if not done by training camp, most think the team will have to move on Love.

The ball might be in Rodger's court, but the Pack hold all the cards and leverage by contract as they are dead set on no trade. So AR's choices are either play or retire

 

[FlaPack]

Denver Broncos since Thursday have had more bets on them to win the Super Bowl then all the other teams combined. Packers on most sportsbooks have been pulled off the board.

People speculating nothing more nothing less. Books are smart to take GB off and mitigate risk. Unless some large syndicate money moves in its a lot about nothing

 

[rpiotr01]

The short answer is yes. Went into on NFL yesterday. The real answer is more deep.

All of this could have been avoided by FO even with drafting Love had they done a simple thing of either talking to AR before or right after making the pick.

League wise your top Qbs are starting to have more involvement and say their piece.

The difference here, outside of what I think Pack nailed it, is that every other player on rosters face competition at their position and have FO do things that upset them. But at the end of the day they do their job and move on.

Rodgers a month back said he loved football and wants to playa for years. Yet now he's talking of walking away, which only way that will happen us retirement. That brings into question how much does he really love football?

Another thought which is uglier is that he played at the MVP level to smite the team and looks like he's out to hurt the team for upcoming future cuz of hurt feelings. Not my personal thought, but some NFL guys.

In the court of public opinion, some still hold a grudge towards Favre. With Rodgers he is on the losing side of public support.

Most hope the sides can work things out. But if not done by training camp, most think the team will have to move on Love.

The ball might be in Rodger's court, but the Pack hold all the cards and leverage by contract as they are dead set on no trade. So AR's choices are either play or retire

Aaron made a choice after the 2018 season. Pack posted that tweet from April 2018, he was already disgruntled and he signed with GB anyway. That was only 2 off-seasons ago. There's nothing he knows now about the org that he didn't know then, except that they built a team around him that went 26-6 and got to two NFCC. He made his bed (a very lucrative and comfy one but maybe he wishes it was a little softer), now he should lie in it.

 

[FlaPack]

Aaron made a choice after the 2018 season. Pack posted that tweet from April 2018, he was already disgruntled and he signed with GB anyway. That was only 2 off-seasons ago. There's nothing he knows now about the org that he didn't know then, except that they built a team around him that went 26-6 and got to two NFCC. He made his bed (a very lucrative and comfy one but maybe he wishes it was a little softer), now he should lie in it.

Truth and accurate. What has changed the last 2 years is Rodgers going “Hollywood”, marriage and Malibu. He was disgruntled then and now but then a new contract meant staying in GB and 2 years ago maybe in his mind that was the price you pay. Now he’s had enough of GB, Gute, Murphy and the organization. I’m not trying in any way to justify his actions but that’s why the only solution here is cut bait

 

[realitybytes]

I don't think people get it to be honest. It appears that all Rodgers wanted was the same respect that any other person leading a team of people on a job should have. They should be involved in evaluating the person's performance, and at least having a suggestive role in deciding who would do best on the job.

Imagine yourself, as a work place leader, being told that the people in the front office will be the ones who evaluate what the person can do on the job, and despite the fact you think one or two people are important to your team, they ignore what you say, and kick them to the side of the road and bring people in who are inadequate.

Then, when it doesn't work out the way they want it to, they bring in someone to replace you down the road.

Obviously, in the business world, you'd be smart to get the hell off that job and go somewhere else, where they respect the judgement of those in supervision enough to let them at least have a voice in choosing the workers.

I understand the philosophy of total discipline associated with football, but I also understand that players who feel that someone is listening to them also goes a long way towards getting players to perform at their highest level. This idea that they should be blindly obedient no longer fits in the game.

I'm not supporting Rodgers, but in all honesty, if the statements about his voice being ignored by the brass is accurate, I can understand why he's told them to stick it.

dude, this is so on point. the philosophy that "you are paid to do your job and that's it" is 1960s philosophy. the best businesses don't work that way any more. ceos regularly communicate with their leaders and top performers. they bounce ideas off them, they ask for opinions from the people who are not only their best people but also closer to the action.

the newer way of thinking has been slow to creep into the world of sports mainly because its such am "old boy" atmosphere. but you can see it making its way in. look no further than last year's super bowl winners. tom brady asked for gronk and the bucs signed him immediately. brady asked for brown, and the bucs signed him immediately. brady asked for fournette and the bucs signed him immediately. were those three guys the reason that the bucs went to the super bowl? probably not. but it made brady happy. this is how a superbowl-winning team treats their star qb in modern times.

 

[FlaPack]

. look no further than last year's super bowl winners. tom brady asked for gronk and the bucs signed him immediately. brady asked for brown, and the bucs signed him immediately. brady asked for fournette and the bucs signed him immediately. were those three guys the reason that the bucs went to the super bowl? probably not. but it made brady happy. this is how a superbowl-winning team treats their star qb in modern times.

I think the difference here is what if TB does not get Gronk or AB, does Brady pout and sulk and want a pity party? I doubt it and thats another form of leadership. I agree on with the premise on the general thing of making the star happy, been an NBA thing for years

 

[realitybytes]

Aaron made a choice after the 2018 season. Pack posted that tweet from April 2018, he was already disgruntled and he signed with GB anyway. That was only 2 off-seasons ago. There's nothing he knows now about the org that he didn't know then, except that they built a team around him that went 26-6 and got to two NFCC. He made his bed (a very lucrative and comfy one but maybe he wishes it was a little softer), now he should lie in it.

you do not know what was said during those contract negotiations. the packers brass may have told him that they would include him in major decisions that directly affect him, and then just totally reneged on those promises.