Packers 2023-24 Season Thread
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5 picks on days 1-2. I expect 2 of them might be DBs of whatever sort, a couple OL, and a RB. They tend to attack positions in multiples when they have a need.
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Given the play of our DB's this season, I would agree that we need a corner and a safety in those first 5 picks. 3 picks in the first 45, 5 in the first 90. so . . . "potentially" 5 out of the top 100 players (but we know they'll go off somewhere during that time and pick someone that is a reach).
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Unless of course they package a couple of them to move up . . .
I don't think you can address everything this off-season, but you can fix a bunch of things and come pretty close.
I see OT, OG, RB as major needs, and WR and OC as more minor needs on offense. On defense you need CB, S x 2, and ILB as major needs and DT as a minor need. (You may need two ILBs if there is a scheme change.) That is more total needs than the 8 draft picks you have, and really only 5-6 picks you can kind of expect anything of because 6ths and 7ths are more hopes and prayers.
Now, they don't have to fix it ALL in the draft. They will likely move on from Bakh and Campbell and probably Aaron Jones unless they restructure him. That gives them about $35mil of CAP space. They'll need to extend some guys but those are mostly minimum type deals like Ford, Owens, TDavis, Ballentine, etc. Maybe they offer a reasonable deal to Dillon. Bottom line, they should still have about $15-20mil in CAP space. They can fix a spot or two in FA.
So in the draft you need OT, RB, CB, S, and ILB. That's doable. I'd let WR, OG, OC, DT and the second safety wait, though hopefully you can fix one or two in FA and I'd certainly select one of each later in the draft. You can live with Myers at OC for now. You can move ahead with Rhyan at OG. You have OK numbers at DT and WR already. You may need to live with Owens or Ford at S along with a rookie, but I'm still hopeful of adding a solid veteran S in FA.
More important is which Brian Gutekunst do you get - the guy who was mediocre to downright awful in his first 4 drafts, or the guy who seems to have been solid the last 2 drafts.
I see OT, OG, RB as major needs, and WR and OC as more minor needs on offense. On defense you need CB, S x 2, and ILB as major needs and DT as a minor need. (You may need two ILBs if there is a scheme change.) That is more total needs than the 8 draft picks you have, and really only 5-6 picks you can kind of expect anything of because 6ths and 7ths are more hopes and prayers.
Now, they don't have to fix it ALL in the draft. They will likely move on from Bakh and Campbell and probably Aaron Jones unless they restructure him. That gives them about $35mil of CAP space. They'll need to extend some guys but those are mostly minimum type deals like Ford, Owens, TDavis, Ballentine, etc. Maybe they offer a reasonable deal to Dillon. Bottom line, they should still have about $15-20mil in CAP space. They can fix a spot or two in FA.
So in the draft you need OT, RB, CB, S, and ILB. That's doable. I'd let WR, OG, OC, DT and the second safety wait, though hopefully you can fix one or two in FA and I'd certainly select one of each later in the draft. You can live with Myers at OC for now. You can move ahead with Rhyan at OG. You have OK numbers at DT and WR already. You may need to live with Owens or Ford at S along with a rookie, but I'm still hopeful of adding a solid veteran S in FA.
More important is which Brian Gutekunst do you get - the guy who was mediocre to downright awful in his first 4 drafts, or the guy who seems to have been solid the last 2 drafts.
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Right now, I have absolutely no idea what the Packers will do in the draft, or which positions they will put on higher priority, than the next. I think a lot of that will be ironed out after the combine, and when they start having measurable stats, and game film they can peruse, to develop their board.
Also, they will consider free agents that will be available, and evaluate the value versus cost, of trying to sign some of them. As to what priority they'll use there, I think the biggest restraint will be cap space. Especially since they need to do some resigning of players already on the roster.
Everyone talks about how Gute is the guy who makes the picks. On the contrary. He's the guy that makes the final decisions, but there's a scouting staff, coaches, and a raft of advisors who are there, all giving insights on players, and with coaches, making suggestions as to which guys they think would be a better fit. I'd say in the majority of cases, the pick is someone that the coaching staff and Gute will make the best contribution to the team, and improve them in an area of need. I doubt very much that the pick is someone that Gute chose over the objections of everyone else.
Therefore, when a pick is made, we can't just blame the GM if it's a bad call. A lot of people were more than likely on board with the idea of making that pick.
Also, they will consider free agents that will be available, and evaluate the value versus cost, of trying to sign some of them. As to what priority they'll use there, I think the biggest restraint will be cap space. Especially since they need to do some resigning of players already on the roster.
Everyone talks about how Gute is the guy who makes the picks. On the contrary. He's the guy that makes the final decisions, but there's a scouting staff, coaches, and a raft of advisors who are there, all giving insights on players, and with coaches, making suggestions as to which guys they think would be a better fit. I'd say in the majority of cases, the pick is someone that the coaching staff and Gute will make the best contribution to the team, and improve them in an area of need. I doubt very much that the pick is someone that Gute chose over the objections of everyone else.
Therefore, when a pick is made, we can't just blame the GM if it's a bad call. A lot of people were more than likely on board with the idea of making that pick.
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I don't see OG as a need at all.
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I am hoping we either stay put and use the 8 picks we have or we move back and add another pick in the top 100. Since we have so many holes to fill this would be the year to move back, IMO.
My worry is Gute will try to move up to pick a player like he has done in the past and then we end up with only 4 picks in the top 100 or maybe less. Then we may not be able to fill some of the major holes we have.
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Really? Runyan is a below average guard and Rhyan has not been able to crack the starting line up. Who would you put there? Newman?
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Tom and Jenkins will be your starting OG's next year IMO. Then you have Rhyan as backup and can find a couple other guys so OG is bottom of my list to worry about.Really? Runyan is a below average guard and Rhyan has not been able to crack the starting line up. Who would you put there? Newman?