2021 Badgers Football Thread

Mark87 said:
Let me try this one more time, Mertz:

He played in a spread look, a very simple one from 7th grade until a senior in HS. Everything was simple in his offense. Now in Kansas 5A there isn't a ton of speed he had to deal with on defense, the looks weren't super complex.

So not a 5-7 drop guy at all, Yes he threw some nice balls on film but again consider the talent factor.

Now fast forward to this season and last, super-fast pace( in terms of defensive looks), an OL that doesn't block in pass pro better than Madison West, WR that can't separate and run just meh routes. And a run game the first 4 weeks that was non-existent.


So no, the "it's in his head" is incorrect. It's the culmination of the things above. He needs better coaching, a much better group of WR, and an OL that can hold longer than 2 seconds in pass pro. If you don't fix the last two then I don't care who's behind center they will struggle.
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I do think there is a little “in the head” issue but might be semantics and it’s part of the OL issue. He tends to rush throws when under pressure (most kids do) but he also lacks pocket presence. At least 3 times this year probably more he does not feel the pressure especially when it comes from his right. That has to be on film because it’s not something new. He’s also hesitant on some reads, not sure if that’s confidence or coaching or what but the poster child of that is the ND game and throw to Pryor. And rushing throws also leads to the miss to 84 vs Illini and the hitch and go route to 13 the same game and let’s not forget the poor throw to Pryor on the go route Saturday. Just poor throws.

In principle I agree with your post especially the talent issue. But the confidence level is just lacking now and yeah part of that is coaching but some of it is pure talent
 
Mark87 said:
Let me try this one more time, Mertz:

He played in a spread look, a very simple one from 7th grade until a senior in HS. Everything was simple in his offense. Now in Kansas 5A there isn't a ton of speed he had to deal with on defense, the looks weren't super complex.

So not a 5-7 drop guy at all, Yes he threw some nice balls on film but again consider the talent factor.

Now fast forward to this season and last, super-fast pace( in terms of defensive looks), an OL that doesn't block in pass pro better than Madison West, WR that can't separate and run just meh routes. And a run game the first 4 weeks that was non-existent.


So no, the "it's in his head" is incorrect. It's the culmination of the things above. He needs better coaching, a much better group of WR, and an OL that can hold longer than 2 seconds in pass pro. If you don't fix the last two then I don't care who's behind center they will struggle.
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Thing is it's not a quick fix this would probably take 2-3 years of better recuriting to fix.
 
Thing is can you manage to get better kids in here that you won't be more then a 10-2 team going to a New Years Day 6 bowl
 
Other issue I have with portal system what is to stop schools from just trying to recurit kids to leave school and come to their school.
 
GBP4EVER said:
Thing is can you manage to get better kids in here that you won't be more then a 10-2 team going to a New Years Day 6 bowl
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And what do you expect the CFP? Let’s be realistic here. Just look at the CFP historically
 
Packinatl said:
I do think there is a little “in the head” issue but might be semantics and it’s part of the OL issue. He tends to rush throws when under pressure (most kids do) but he also lacks pocket presence. At least 3 times this year probably more he does not feel the pressure especially when it comes from his right. That has to be on film because it’s not something new. He’s also hesitant on some reads, not sure if that’s confidence or coaching or what but the poster child of that is the ND game and throw to Pryor. And rushing throws also leads to the miss to 84 vs Illini and the hitch and go route to 13 the same game and let’s not forget the poor throw to Pryor on the go route Saturday. Just poor throws.

In principle I agree with your post especially the talent issue. But the confidence level is just lacking now and yeah part of that is coaching but some of it is pure talent
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It's really not in his head but in his feet and mechanics. Again, pure spread QB. "The essential principles of productive quarterback play [footwork, balance, transfer of weight and timing] are often compromised in the spread." >> Tom Luginbill, national recruiting director for ESPN's Scouts Inc.
 
Mark87 said:
It's really not in his head but in his feet and mechanics. Again, pure spread QB. "The essential principles of productive quarterback play [footwork, balance, transfer of weight and timing] are often compromised in the spread." >> Tom Luginbill, national recruiting director for ESPN's Scouts Inc.
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That’s valid but that does not account for anticipating a throw and making reads which was the case multiple times. He throws on schedule to 84 it’s a walk in. He threw early. The Pryor toss was 3 counts late. I get your point and agree but there is more going on
 
GBP4EVER said:
Thing is it's not a quick fix this would probably take 2-3 years of better recuriting to fix.
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Probably 2 cycles if you get it right. If a freshman is talented especially at skill positions they play. OL is a bit different, more a strength issue.
 
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