Wisconsin Football: How does the future at the WR position look?

[TW]

Wilson also had Ball, Melvin Gordon and James White in the backfield which allowed Toon and Abby to get involved. Toon was a very good WR, a better route runner than any guy on the current roster.

I believe this is true. Yet, we'll never know if the coaching staff doesn't at least show some trust in Mertz to get the ball out to them on timing routes.

 

[FlaPack]

I think out receivers would be better with better coaching.

The passing attack is not very good and is very predictable yet our coaches just won't change. They know how to do one thing run the ball. Unfortunately it only works well when you outman your opponent alot so that it doesn't matter they know what your doing.

We may not be as committed as others, but many others are doing more with less. And, have coaches who are finding square holes for their square pegs instead of forcing their square pegs into round holes.

I think Chryst is a very good man. I don't think he's a very good coach.

But who do we get? I don't have that answer. Maybe there's a non-Power 5 up and comer.

Was Barry a good coach? Were you critical of him when he finished 7th in the conference 2 years in a row? That’s after the Rose Bowl year Was BB a good coach? He finished 6th in 2018 and came within a missed 30 yd FG of by an FCS school at home to miss bowling. While Chryst has his flaws it’s mind boggling to me the criticism he gets with one down year. Was our passing game predictable with Coan @ QB?

Joe Rudolph is a bigger issue than PC. The lack of funding and resources is a bigger issue than PC. But at least we did not lose to Bowling Green at home as a 31 point favorite rowing the boat. Ok feeling better now

 

[TW]

Was Barry a good coach? Were you critical of him when he finished 7th in the conference 2 years in a row? That’s after the Rose Bowl year Was BB a good coach? He finished 6th in 2018 and came within a missed 30 yd FG of by an FCS school at home to miss bowling. While Chryst has his flaws it’s mind boggling to me the criticism he gets with one down year. Was our passing game predictable with Coan @ QB?

Joe Rudolph is a bigger issue than PC. The lack of funding and resources is a bigger issue than PC. But at least we did not lose to Bowling Green at home as a 31 point favorite rowing the boat. Ok feeling better now

If Rudolph is a problem, and I tend to agree, PC needs to get rid of him and bring someone in who he can rely on. My feeling is Chryst is comfortable with Rudolph around, so that's never going to happen, unless forced on him, through threat against his own job.

That said, how much impact would losing Rudolph have on recruiting? I know he's been active.

 

[FlaPack]

I believe this is true. Yet, we'll never know if the coaching staff doesn't at least show some trust in Mertz to get the ball out to them on timing routes.

Well in the ND game Pryor ran a quick out on 3rd down, had the 1st down and Mertz was 3 counts slow getting him the ball. He missed a wide open TE at Illinois, same game missed a wide open Dike on a sluggo route. The only time he’s accurate or comfortable is when he has a clean pocket and can set and throw. I’ll keep going back to camp where there was noise that Mertz having issues. Much of that is proving to be not noise. For every 3-4 wow throws he has then come 5-6 WTF throws.

I remember Chris Rix @ FSU. 5 star QB. The kid in pre game looked like Marino throwing the ball. In game he looked like Tyler Donovan. Brad Kayyaa at Miami the same. Sometimes you look the part that’s it

 

[FlaPack]

If Rudolph is a problem, and I tend to agree, PC needs to get rid of him and bring someone in who he can rely on. My feeling is Chryst is comfortable with Rudolph around, so that's never going to happen, unless forced on him, through threat against his own job.

That said, how much impact would losing Rudolph have on recruiting? I know he's been active.

Well he not going to get forced out and I don’t think this administration would use job threat either. Too many financial implications. He got demoted last year so maybe the hope is that sent a message. As to recruiting I really don’t think the impact would be that damning

 

[TW]

Well in the ND game Pryor ran a quick out on 3rd down, had the 1st down and Mertz was 3 counts slow getting him the ball. He missed a wide open TE at Illinois, same game missed a wide open Dike on a sluggo route. The only time he’s accurate or comfortable is when he has a clean pocket and can set and throw. I’ll keep going back to camp where there was noise that Mertz having issues. Much of that is proving to be not noise. For every 3-4 wow throws he has then come 5-6 WTF throws.

I remember Chris Rix @ FSU. 5 star QB. The kid in pre game looked like Marino throwing the ball. In game he looked like Tyler Donovan. Brad Kayyaa at Miami the same. Sometimes you look the part that’s it

Now we have something we can agree on. The only question I have is if Mertz' game would improve if he was given more of these throws during a game, or would we end up with a bunch of pick sixes?

I just don't get it how different Mertz can look from one play to the next.

 

[FlaPack]

Now we have something we can agree on. The only question I have is if Mertz' game would improve if he was given more of these throws during a game, or would we end up with a bunch of pick sixes?

I just don't get it how different Mertz can look from one play to the next.

I don’t think he’s sees the field particularly well and has issues past his initial read. That’s one issues. The other and Huard alluded to a few times is that he is uncomfortable with any pressure the game gets too fast for him

 

[TW]

I think he is only given one receiver and an outlet as options on a lot of the plays. If there were more options, you'd see him going through progressions, and he doesn't. Maybe that's all he's capable of understanding? Hard to tell.

The problem is, I still believe he has the tools to do the job if he ever gets his head on straight. I think his game is going sideways between his ears.

 

[Keg Man]

I don’t think he’s sees the field particularly well and has issues past his initial read. That’s one issues. The other and Huard alluded to a few times is that he is uncomfortable with any pressure the game gets too fast for him

I agree with what you're saying. I think Mertz might throw a great ball in practice when not under pressure. But, he doesn't seem to handle the moment, doesn't seem to handle pressure in games, doesn't seem to be seeing the field, and all too often seems hesitant to throw the ball before guys are out of their cuts to where they should be.

Regarding receivers, if they're running sloppy routes, isn't somebody failing to coach them to run good routes?

Regarding Chryst, I think he's a very good man, and unlike some other coaches, I do believe he's all in for his players for them. But, he's so predictable it's crazy. Most of us know the play that's coming. Our opponents know what play is coming. Penn State said so. Even with limited players ability and limited plays, the play calling should be able to surprise an opponent a couple times a game.

And, I get that you can't make filet out of chuck, but somehow the defense consistently comes close. To me it appears the defensive side is finding a way and succeeding, while the offense is just floundering. I think it has a lot to do with coaching. And, I'm referring to everyone on the offensive side. They are not even close to getting it done - worse there are no signs of improvement.

Go Bucky! Prove me wrong this week

 

[FlaPack]

I think he is only given one receiver and an outlet as options on a lot of the plays. If there were more options, you'd see him going through progressions, and he doesn't. Maybe that's all he's capable of understanding? Hard to tell.

The problem is, I still believe he has the tools to do the job if he ever gets his head on straight. I think his game is going sideways between his ears.

He can’t get past read one, not sure if it’s just the speed of the game as Huard mentioned or just that he came from such a simple system. When he had success vs Army he set his feet, read and throw.