Official 2016 Week 5 Green Bay vs New York Giants Thread

Pugger said:
How do we get off the snide? By changing coaches and/or getting different players OR have the players we have now - including #12 - just play better? If we do decide to change the coaching staff after this season and get a defensive minded HC don't we need to find an offensive coordinator who will run the same system MM is implementing now? Isn't it rather late to ask Rodgers to learn a new offense at this stage of his career?
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Not really... many top QB have changed systems late. Honestly sometimes a system change can energize a player.
 
I don't see any problem for Rodgers. Any system a coach would bring in would be in tune with what Aaron can do, and do effectively. Good coaches know how to harness the talent of the players, not try to fit round pegs in square holes.

On defense, it might be a little more difficult for people like Matthews. But, with a hybrid 3-4 x 4-3, he might actually become a sure fire pick for the HOF. It would also create more options as to body types you need, to fill your needs.

Now, from a GM POV. I might want to keep Thompson. I don't really blame him for the problems on the field to be honest.
 
TW said:
Now, from a GM POV. I might want to keep Thompson. I don't really blame him for the problems on the field to be honest.
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how so? if our primary issues are a lack of playmakers (as many have said) and a lack of depth (as many have said), it seems to me the gm is a major part of the problem.
 
If you look at the positions we've drafted, and the results we've gotten, it shows that Thompson has in fact picked some pretty good athletes. We can start with Rodgers, and add Matthews to that mix. We can't say his choices have been bad, unless we see a lack of talent on the field. Granted, he's made mistakes. They all do. I honestly don't see that his mistakes have been catastrophic. I see mis-managed personnel as being the problem.

I also look at his FA choices. Guys like Peppers, and Woodson. Not a great number, but no cap hell like I see with other teams.

The reason I think Thompson should get a little more time is because of the great job he did getting us out of cap hell after Sherman, without us turning into a doormat. That was of his making. Like him or not, as a GM, I have to give him the benefit of the doubt for a short period of time.
 
but c'mon tw, he's had how many drafts now? a dozen? and how many blue chip playmakers?

there was rodgers and matthews, sure. most teams have three to five on their active roster.

okay let's add nick collins to the list because i think he would have been one of the best ever if he had not had the freak injury.

maybe you could make a case for jordy nelson, but it's borderline at best.

and as for depth, if you look beyond our starting 22, most of our depth is comprised of rookies and undrafted free agents that we churn through every year. we have 11 guys on our 53-man squad who are not still on their rookie contract. yeah, sure we are not in trouble salry-cap wise. but this team relies heavily on unproven and undeveloped talent.

edit: actually there are 14 guys not on their rookie contracts. i forgot to include peppers, guion, and cook - who were all brought in as veterans.
 
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I don't know how we are going to cover OBJ. I anticipate him receiving at least 125 yards tonight. As far as the game goes, I don't have a great feeling about it, but I could see it going either way.
 
realitybytes said:
but c'mon tw, he's had how many drafts now? a dozen? and how many blue chip playmakers?
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That's an excellent point. I see it just a little differently, but I do agree. There aren't any, and I agree with Collins.

What I see is the Packers drafting in the lower six to eight picks in each round. That limits the opportunities of finding those top players. When you get one in a draft, he's usually in the top ten at most. When you pick as low as the Packers, you try to get guys that are good enough to improve your team in a key position, because the real impact players are already gone.

I borrowed the following: Thompson's draft picks

I've highlighted the guys I believe were solid picks for the round picked. People will disagree. That's good. Choose the ones you think are best. Remember what I said. Solid picks for the round they were picked.


2005
April 23-24, 2005; Drafted alternately 24th-26th-25th

1. AARON RODGERS, QB, California, 24
2a. NICK COLLINS, S/CB, Bethune-Cookman, 51
(from New Orleans Saints in Mike McKenzie trade)
2b. TERRENCE MURPHY, WR/KR, Texas A&M, 58
3. (to Carolina Panthers in draft-day trade), 89
4a. MARVIEL UNDERWOOD, S, San Diego State, 115
(from Carolina Panthers in draft-day trade)
4b. BRADY POPPINGA, LB, Brigham Young, 125
4. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 126
(originally obtained from Carolina in draft-day trade)
5a. JUNIUS COSTON, C, North Carolina A&T, 143
(from Oakland Raiders for Marques Anderson)
5. (to Kansas City Chiefs for R-Kal Truluck), 152
5b. MIKE HAWKINS, CB, Oklahoma, 167
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
6. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 175
(originally obtained from Philadelphia in draft-day trade)
6a. MICHAEL MONTGOMERY, DE, Texas A&M, 180
(from Oakland Raiders for Marques Anderson)
6b. CRAIG BRAGG, WR, UCLA, 195
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
6. (to Kansas City Chiefs for R-Kal Truluck), 199
7. (to Kansas City Chiefs in 2003 Derek Combs trade), 238
7a. KURT CAMPBELL, LB, Albany, 245
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
7b. WILLIAM WHITTICKER, G, Michigan State, 246
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
2006
April 29-30, 2006; Drafted alternately 5th-4th-3rd-7th-6th

1. A.J. HAWK, LB, Ohio State, 5
2. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 36
2. (from Denver for WR Javon Walker in draft-day trade; choice subsequently traded to Atlanta Falcons), 37
2a. DARYN COLLEDGE, T/G, Boise State, 47
(from Atlanta Falcons in draft-day trade)
2b. GREG JENNINGS, WR, Western Michigan, 52
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
3a. ABDUL HODGE, LB, Iowa, 67
3b. JASON SPITZ, G/C, Louisville, 75
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
3. (to St. Louis Rams in draft-day trade), 93
(pick originally obtained from Atlanta Falcons in draft-day trade)
4a. CORY RODGERS, WR/KR, Texas Christian, 104
4. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 109
(pick originally obtained from St. Louis Rams)
4b. WILL BLACKMON, CB, Boston College, 115
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
5. (to Atlanta Falcons in draft-day trade), 139
5a. INGLE MARTIN, QB, Furman, 148
(from Atlanta Falcons in draft-day trade)
5b. TONY MOLL, T, Nevada, 165
(free agency compensatory pick)
6. (to New Orleans in 2004 Mike McKenzie trade), 174
6a. JOHNNY JOLLY, DT, Texas A&M, 183
(from St. Louis Rams in draft-day trade)
6b. TYRONE CULVER, S, Fresno State, 185
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
7. (to Miami Dolphins in 2004 Brad Bedell trade), 212
7. DAVE TOLLEFSON, DE, Northwest Missouri State, 253
(free agency compensatory pick)
2007
April 28-29, 2007; Drafted alternately 16th-15th-14th-13th-20th-19th-18th

1. JUSTIN HARRELL, DT, Tennessee, 16
2. (to N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade), 47
2. BRANDON JACKSON, RB, Nebraska, 63
(from N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade)
3a. JAMES JONES, WR, San Jose State, 78
3b. AARON ROUSE, SS, Virginia Tech, 89
(from N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade)
4. (to Pittsburgh in draft-day trade), 112
4. ALLEN BARBRE, T/G, Missouri Southern St, 119
(from Pittsburgh Steelers in draft-day trade)
5. DAVID CLOWNEY, WR, Virginia Tech, 157
6a. KOREY HALL, FB, Boise State, 191
(from N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade)
6b. DESMOND BISHOP, LB, California, 192
(from Pittsburgh Steelers in draft-day trade)
6c. MASON CROSBY, K, Colorado, 193
7a. DeSHAWN WYNN, RB, Florida, 228
7. (to N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade), 235
(originally obtained in Steve Morley trade)
7. CLARK HARRIS, TE, Rutgers, 243
(free agency compensatory pick)
2008
April 26-27, 2008; Drafted alternately 30th-29th-28th

1. (to N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade), 30
2a. JORDY NELSON, WR, Kansas State, 36
(from N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade)
2b. BRIAN BROHM, QB, Louisville, 56
(from Cleveland Browns for Corey Williams)
2c. PAT LEE, CB, Auburn, 60
3. JERMICHAEL FINLEY, TE, Texas, 91
4a. JEREMY THOMPSON, DE, Wake Forest, 102
(from N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade)
4. (to N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade), 113
4. (to St. Louis Rams in draft-day trade), 128
4b. JOSH SITTON, G, Central Florida, 135
(free agency compensatory pick)
5. (to Minnesota Vikings in draft-day trade), 137
5. BRENO GIACOMINI, T, Louisville, 150
(from Minnesota Vikings in draft-day trade)
5. (to N.Y. Jets in draft-day trade), 162
6. (to N.Y. Giants for Ryan Grant), 194
7a. MATT FLYNN, QB, Louisiana State, 209
(from Minnesota Vikings in draft-day trade)
7b. BRETT SWAIN, WR, San Diego State, 217
(from St. Louis Rams in draft-day trade)
7. (to New Orleans Saints for 2009 sixth-round choice), 237
2009
April 25-26, 2009; Drafted 9th

1a. B.J. RAJI, NT, Boston College, 9
1b. CLAY MATTHEWS, LB, Southern California, 26
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
2. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 41
3. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 73
3. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 83
(pick originally obtained from N.Y. Jets for Brett Favre)
4. T.J. LANG, G/T, Eastern Michigan, 109
5a. QUINN JOHNSON, FB, Louisiana State, 145
5b. JAMON MEREDITH, T, South Carolina, 162
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
6a. JARIUS WYNN, DE, Georgia, 182
(from New Orleans Saints in 2008 draft-day trade)
6b. BRANDON UNDERWOOD, CB, Cincinnati, 187
7. BRAD JONES, LB, Colorado, 218
2010
April 22-24, 2010; Drafted 23rd

1. BRYAN BULAGA, T, Iowa, 23
2. MIKE NEAL, DE, Purdue, 56
3. MORGAN BURNETT, S, Georgia Tech, 71
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
3. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 86
4. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 122
5a. ANDREW QUARLESS, TE, Penn State, 154
5b. MARSHALL NEWHOUSE, T/G, Texas Christian, 169
(free agency compensatory pick)
6. JAMES STARKS, RB, Buffalo, 193
7. C.J. WILSON, DE, East Carolina, 230
2011
April 28-30, 2011; Drafted 32nd

1. DEREK SHERROD, T, Mississippi State, 32
2. RANDALL COBB, WR, Kentucky, 64
3. ALEX GREEN, RB, Hawaii, 96
4. (to Denver Broncos in draft-day trade), 129
4. DAVON HOUSE, CB, New Mexico State, 131
(free agency compensatory pick)
5. D.J. WILLIAMS, TE, Arkansas, 141
(from Denver Broncos in draft-day trade)
5. (to San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade), 163
6. (to Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade), 174
6a. CALEB SCHLAUDERAFF, G, Utah, 179
(from Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade)
6b. D.J. SMITH, LB, Appalachian State, 186
(from Denver Broncos in draft-day trade)
6c. RICKY ELMORE, LB, Arizona, 197
7. (to Denver Broncos in draft-day trade), 204
(pick originally obtained from Carolina Panthers)
7a. RYAN TAYLOR, TE, North Carolina, 218
(from Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade)
7. (To Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade), 231
7b. LAWRENCE GUY, DE, Arizona State, 233
2012
April 26-28, 2012; Drafted 28th

1. NICK PERRY, LB, Southern California, 28
2a. JEREL WORTHY, DE, Michigan State, 51
(from Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade)
2. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 59
2b. CASEY HAYWARD, CB, Vanderbilt, 62
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
3. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 90
4. (to Philadelphia Eagles in draft-day trade), 123
4a. MIKE DANIELS, DT, Iowa, 132
(free agency compensatory pick)
4b. JERRON McMILLIAN, S, Maine, 133
(free agency compensatory pick)
5. TERRELL MANNING, LB, North Carolina State, 163
(originally sent to New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
(reacquired through New England in draft-day trade)
6. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 197
7. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 224
(pick originally obtained as conditional choice from N.Y. Jets for G Caleb Schlauderaff)
7. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 235
7a. ANDREW DATKO, T, Florida State, 241
(free agency compensatory pick)
7b. B.J. COLEMAN, QB, Tennessee-Chattanooga, 243
(free agency compensatory pick)
2013
April 25-27, 2013; Drafted alternately 26th-25th

1. DATONE JONES, DE, UCLA, 26
2. (to San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade), 55
2. EDDIE LACY, RB, Alabama, 61
(from San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade)
3. (to San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade), 88
3. (to Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade), 93
(pick originally obtained from San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade)
4a. DAVID BAKHTIARI, T, Colorado, 109
(from Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade)
4b. JC TRETTER, T, Cornell, 122
4c. JOHNATHAN FRANKLIN, RB, UCLA, 125
(from Denver Broncos in draft-day trade)
5. (to Denver Broncos in draft-day trade), 146
(pick originally obtained from Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade)
5a. MICAH HYDE, CB, Iowa, 159
5b. JOSH BOYD, DE, Mississippi State, 167
(free agency compensatory pick)
6. (to Denver Broncos in draft-day trade), 173
(pick originally obtained from San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade)
6. NATE PALMER, LB, Illinois State, 193
7a. CHARLES JOHNSON, WR, Grand Valley State, 216
(from San Francisco 49ers in draft-day trade)
7b. KEVIN DORSEY, WR, Maryland, 224
(from Miami Dolphins in draft-day trade)
7c. SAM BARRINGTON, LB, South Florida, 232
2014
May 8-10, 2014; Drafted 21st

1. Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama, 21
2. Davante Adams, WR, Fresno State, 53
3a. Khyri Thornton, DE, Southern Mississippi, 85
3b. Richard Rodgers, TE, California, 98
(free agency compensatory pick)
4. Carl Bradford, LB, Arizona State, 121
5a. Corey Linsley, C, Ohio State, 161
5b. Jared Abbrederis, WR, Wisconsin, 176
(free agency compensatory pick)
6. Demetri Goodson, CB, Baylor, 197
7. Jeff Janis, WR, Saginaw Valley State, 236

2015
April 30 - May 2, 2015; Drafted 30th

1. Damarious Randall, CB, Arizona State, 30
2. Quinten Rollins, CB, Miami (Ohio), 62
3. Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford, 94
4. Jake Ryan, LB, Michigan, 129
5a. Brett Hundley, QB, UCLA, 147
(from New England Patriots in draft-day trade)
5. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 166
6a. Aaron Ripkowski, FB, Oklahoma, 206
6b. Christian Ringo, DL, Louisiana-Lafayette, 210
(free agency compensatory pick)
6c. Kennard Backman, TE, Alabama-Birmingham, 213
(free agency compensatory pick)
7. (to New England Patriots in draft-day trade), 247
2016

April 28-30, 2016; Drafted 27th
1. Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA, 27
2. Jason Spriggs, T, Indiana, 48
(from Indiananapolis Colts in draft-day trade)
2. (to Indianapolis Colts in draft-day trade), 57
3. Kyler Fackrell, LB, Utah State, 88
4. (to Indianapolis Colts in draft-day trade), 125
4a. Blake Martinez, LB, Stanford, 131
(free agency compensatory pick)
4b. Dean Lowry, DE, Northwestern, 137
(free agency compensatory pick)
5. Trevor Davis, WR, California, 163
6. Kyle Murphy, T, Stanford, 200
7. (to Indianapolis Colts in draft-day trade), 248
 
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