Post Game Thread: The Giants defeat the Packers 24-22

[Cheesedog]

A lot of fair points being made. However, Gb is not going to fire Barry mid season it’s just not the way GB works. So until we know at the end of the season what happens it’s a moot point… Barry is what he is and we know what to expect.

As for CBA stuff that ain’t gonna change anytime soon either. It is what it is.. GB lost a game it shouldn’t have. It happens. But the team has still exceeded expectations..

Time to focus on TB..

 

[GBP4EVER]

What is it? They're only allowed something like 20 contact days the entire preseason, and season? Incredible. Football isn't a game that you can learn to play properly in a classroom. You need to experience it, first hand, and know how your body needs to react.

When you think about all the injuries in today's game, I wonder if some of it has to do with the fact that teams can no longer ramp up their play to full speed slowly, while getting in condition to play the game on the field. The theory is that today's players are more physically prepared to play at game speed because they do more to strengthen the body. The problem is, getting stronger does not replace the slow preparation of your body learning to handle the contact you're going to experience in games. You may be strong like bull, but that doesn't mean supple enough to handle the physical contact. Nobody whacks you with a baseball bat while you're benching 300#.

NFLPA has put lot of limits on what you can and can't do as that's always been their main fight in CBA to worry more about practices then to get anything else.

 

[rpiotr01]

What is it? They're only allowed something like 20 contact days the entire preseason, and season? Incredible. Football isn't a game that you can learn to play properly in a classroom. You need to experience it, first hand, and know how your body needs to react.

When you think about all the injuries in today's game, I wonder if some of it has to do with the fact that teams can no longer ramp up their play to full speed slowly, while getting in condition to play the game on the field. The theory is that today's players are more physically prepared to play at game speed because they do more to strengthen the body. The problem is, getting stronger does not replace the slow preparation of your body learning to handle the contact you're going to experience in games. You may be strong like bull, but that doesn't mean supple enough to handle the physical contact. Nobody whacks you with a baseball bat while you're benching 300#.

Scouts and GMs need to start drafting differently. You cannot count on teaching a guy to tackle at the NFL level. They don't do that, they don't practice that, they don't have time for that. You have to treat tackling ability as a measurable trait, like speed, and draft accordingly. Same with other traits around physicality - can't assume that you pro staff can develop that stuff, have to start targeting it coming out of the NFL.

I think this is the main reason a NFL style developmental league would be a benefit. You could actually direct those coaches to spend time developing those skills in players. If you had a league where wins and losses aren't the most important thing, coaches could direct time and attention to things that would actually help players along on their careers. W/L pressure changes all of that.

 

[Budman]

Scouts and GMs need to start drafting differently. You cannot count on teaching a guy to tackle at the NFL level. They don't do that, they don't practice that, they don't have time for that. You have to treat tackling ability as a measurable trait, like speed, and draft accordingly. Same with other traits around physicality - can't assume that you pro staff can develop that stuff, have to start targeting it coming out of the NFL.

I think this is the main reason a NFL style developmental league would be a benefit. You could actually direct those coaches to spend time developing those skills in players. If you had a league where wins and losses aren't the most important thing, coaches could direct time and attention to things that would actually help players along on their careers. W/L pressure changes all of that.

Very good points, rp!

 

[Mark87]

Scouts and GMs need to start drafting differently. You cannot count on teaching a guy to tackle at the NFL level. They don't do that, they don't practice that, they don't have time for that. You have to treat tackling ability as a measurable trait, like speed, and draft accordingly. Same with other traits around physicality - can't assume that you pro staff can develop that stuff, have to start targeting it coming out of the NFL.

I think this is the main reason a NFL style developmental league would be a benefit. You could actually direct those coaches to spend time developing those skills in players. If you had a league where wins and losses aren't the most important thing, coaches could direct time and attention to things that would actually help players along on their careers. W/L pressure changes all of that.

 

[TW]

Scouts and GMs need to start drafting differently. You cannot count on teaching a guy to tackle at the NFL level. They don't do that, they don't practice that, they don't have time for that. You have to treat tackling ability as a measurable trait, like speed, and draft accordingly. Same with other traits around physicality - can't assume that you pro staff can develop that stuff, have to start targeting it coming out of the NFL.

I think this is the main reason a NFL style developmental league would be a benefit. You could actually direct those coaches to spend time developing those skills in players. If you had a league where wins and losses aren't the most important thing, coaches could direct time and attention to things that would actually help players along on their careers. W/L pressure changes all of that.

Exactly!

 

[TW]

This would be a major gain in development. The problem is, the players and the owners don't want to sink money into anything like that, because that would reduce what they get for the product. What the fans get, and the injuries, doesn't matter to them all that matters is the bottom line, because players believe they're all immune to serious injuries, and the owners would just as soon have every player sign a waiver saying they were on their own when things happen to them.

Nothing that the NFL and NFLPA does is for the good of the game. It's all about money in their own pockets.

 

[44blitz]

Scouts and GMs need to start drafting differently. You cannot count on teaching a guy to tackle at the NFL level. They don't do that, they don't practice that, they don't have time for that. You have to treat tackling ability as a measurable trait, like speed, and draft accordingly. Same with other traits around physicality - can't assume that you pro staff can develop that stuff, have to start targeting it coming out of the NFL.

I think this is the main reason a NFL style developmental league would be a benefit. You could actually direct those coaches to spend time developing those skills in players. If you had a league where wins and losses aren't the most important thing, coaches could direct time and attention to things that would actually help players along on their careers. W/L pressure changes all of that.

And we have been talking about it for at least 5 years on shout and all over the forum, IE the spread and other changes in youth/HS and college ball that have degraded the ability of tackling, blocking and QB play. Forewarned and it's come to fruition. Point being the GM can't measure a measurable that in most cases doesn't exist.

 

[Keg Man]

Yes, GM's can find players who tackle. I'll give you it's harder now than it was, but you can find players who tackle. Many teams do.

Tackling is willingness to do it, love for your teammates (not to fail them), attitude, and desire. I think it's probably pretty easy to find those people.

 

[TW]

The NFLPA and ownership needs to add time and practice allowance to let NFL teams teach the fundamentals of football as they apply to the NFL. The game before then is nothing like the game they're about to play. Every day, we see guys who had marginal college careers becoming stars in the NFL, simply because they put their nose to the grindstone and learn what needs to be done, then apply that knowledge to their game. At the same time, there are those who just let it go in one ear and out the other, and don't take the time outside of official practice, to hone those skills.

If you look at the success of the Packers this year in their aerial game, think about the fact that Love practiced with Jones, Doubs, Watson, Wicks, and Reed. Now, look at who the guys are getting the ball most from Love.

Tackling drills could be run outside of practice, among the players using live action and dummies. But, back in 2020, the NFLPA told players they should not conduct unofficial practices because it wasn't allowed under their rules. They simply don't give a damned whether or not the players are proficient at their jobs. This came to a head with Drew Locke, with the Broncos.

This is a prime example where there's a disconnect between the product being delivered and the need to perfect the product. Of course the reasoning that the union will run out there is the fear of injuries, and liability related to salaries.

Don't expect it to change. It's going to get worse.

I do like the idea that was floated out here about the minor league system. It makes sense. It's also a place that a kid coming out of HS who can't go to college can develop his skills, and have a shot at making it in the pros.