Official Packers Off Season Thread

Thought I'd go look at TT's 6th and 7th round draft picks and see how well he did, excluding the most recent draft:

Still on Packers
Still in NFL (per PFR)

2005: 1/4 contributed/started
6 Mike Montgomery
6 Craig Bragg
7 Kurt Campbell
7 Will Whitticker

2006: 1/2 contributed/started
6 Johnny Jolly
7 Dave Tollefson

2007: 3/5 contributed/started
6 Korey hall
6 Desmond Bishop
6 Mason Crosby
7 DeShawn Wynn
7 Clark Harris

2008: 1/2 contributed/started
7 Matt Flynn
7 Brett Swain

2009: 1/3 contributed/started
6 Jarius Wynn
6 Brandon Underwood
7 Brad Jones

2010: 2/2 contributed/started
6 James Starks
7 CJ Wilson

2011: 1/5 contributed/started
6 Caleb Schlauderaff
6 DJ Smith
6 Ricky Elmore
7 Ryan Taylor
7 Lawrence Guy

2012: 0/2 contributed/started
7 Andrew Datko
7 BJ Coleman

2013: 2/4 contributed/started
6 Nate Palmer
7 Charles Johnson
7 Kevin Dorsey
7 Sam Barrington

2014: 2/2 show promise
6 Demetri Goodson
7 Jeff Janis


So by subjective count...

2005: 1/4 contributed/started
2006: 1/4 contributed/started
2007: 3/5 contributed/started
2008: 1/2 contributed/started
2009: 1/3 contributed/started
2010: 2/2 contributed/started
2011: 1/5 contributed/started
2012: 0/2 contributed/started
2013: 2/4 contributed/started
2014: 2/2 show promise

...for a grand total hit rate of 14/31 = 45%.

The best players were Brad Jones, Desmond Bishop, Johnny Jolly, Mason Crosby, and Sam Barrington (I suddenly find it utterly fascinating that Green Bay's best starting ILBs have been in the sixth/seventh round...

The other interesting note is that TT has only completely missed on three players (i.e. the player never actually made a final roster):
Craig Bragg and Kurt Campbell in 2005 (rounds 6 and 7)
Cory Rodgers in 2006 (round 4)
Everyone else has made a final roster. Not a bad record.
 
I think the Packers are going to need a solid off season just to be the best team in the division next season.

I felt after the 2012 season that the Packers were 2 off seasons away from really making a run because of their defense and that turned out to almost be the case as the Packers should have played in the Super Bowl in the 2014 season.I feel the same way now,but this time because of the offense.I think it's going to take 2 off seasons to really get this offense back on track to where we can take this team seriously as far as getting to a Super Bowl.

The Packers are deep at WR but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good group.I think it's a pretty mediocre group.Jordy is the Packer's only proven legit guy,but he will be 31 next season coming off major knee surgery.I like Ty Montgomery's potential,but he's unproven and just missed 10 games with a sprained ankle.

I actually like Abby and Janis but both guys are unproven and I think even if they hit their ceilings are no better than #3 or #4 type WRs.Cobb is mediocre at best,Adams is trash.Jones is ok if you bring him back,but at this point he's no more than a #4 guy.

So while our group is ''deep'',our only legit #1 guy is 31 years old coming off a major injury and there isn't a proven legit #2 guy on the roster.And Abby and Ty have are guys who make you nervous from an injury standpoint.

The offensive line regressed and as a group is average at best.Needs to be improved.

Eddie Lacy doesn't think it's important to be in shape.Starks is a solid #2 guy but he might be gone in the off season.

R.Rodgers is our best TE and that tells you all you need to know about the Packers situation at TE.

Aaron Rodgers is going to be 33 next season and while I think he still has a few really good seasons left in him,I don't think he can go into ''Godgers mode'' and carry an offense over the course of a season like we've seen in the past.I think he can be Godgers in spurts,but he's now at a stage of his career where he can't carry the load. Again,that's not saying that he's still not a top QB in the league,but 2009-2014 he was off the charts crazy good,I think those days are over.

I think the Packers will make the playoffs and probably finish with around a 10-6 record again in 2016,but I think it might be hard with this group of talent to make a long run.

Yes TT could add a few pieces but just not sold that it will be enough. The window is closing and TT/MM will need to make some serious changes to grab another title. Question is will they ???
 
Rufus T Firefly said:
Thought I'd go look at TT's 6th and 7th round draft picks and see how well he did, excluding the most recent draft:

Still on Packers
Still in NFL (per PFR)

2005: 1/4 contributed/started
6 Mike Montgomery
6 Craig Bragg
7 Kurt Campbell
7 Will Whitticker

2006: 1/2 contributed/started
6 Johnny Jolly
7 Dave Tollefson

2007: 3/5 contributed/started
6 Korey hall
6 Desmond Bishop
6 Mason Crosby
7 DeShawn Wynn
7 Clark Harris

2008: 1/2 contributed/started
7 Matt Flynn
7 Brett Swain

2009: 1/3 contributed/started
6 Jarius Wynn
6 Brandon Underwood
7 Brad Jones

2010: 2/2 contributed/started
6 James Starks
7 CJ Wilson

2011: 1/5 contributed/started
6 Caleb Schlauderaff
6 DJ Smith
6 Ricky Elmore
7 Ryan Taylor
7 Lawrence Guy

2012: 0/2 contributed/started
7 Andrew Datko
7 BJ Coleman

2013: 2/4 contributed/started
6 Nate Palmer
7 Charles Johnson
7 Kevin Dorsey
7 Sam Barrington

2014: 2/2 show promise
6 Demetri Goodson
7 Jeff Janis


So by subjective count...

2005: 1/4 contributed/started
2006: 1/4 contributed/started
2007: 3/5 contributed/started
2008: 1/2 contributed/started
2009: 1/3 contributed/started
2010: 2/2 contributed/started
2011: 1/5 contributed/started
2012: 0/2 contributed/started
2013: 2/4 contributed/started
2014: 2/2 show promise

...for a grand total hit rate of 14/31 = 45%.

The best players were Brad Jones, Desmond Bishop, Johnny Jolly, Mason Crosby, and Sam Barrington (I suddenly find it utterly fascinating that Green Bay's best starting ILBs have been in the sixth/seventh round...

The other interesting note is that TT has only completely missed on three players (i.e. the player never actually made a final roster):
Craig Bragg and Kurt Campbell in 2005 (rounds 6 and 7)
Cory Rodgers in 2006 (round 4)
Everyone else has made a final roster. Not a bad record.
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I hate to quote a long post, but I don't think there's a way to reply without almost all of what's shown. As you noted, this is all subjective, as is nearly everything else we discuss. And, I have no real ax to grind about TT and the lower rounds/UDFAs. However, just for the view from the other side:

"Contributed" is a really tough judgement. For instance, Barclay contributed this year, but I wouldn't be using him as an example of anyone doing anything right.

Overall, the fact that a lot of these guys stuck long enough to at least make the roster doesn't necessarily say much about making the right choice. Many folks think that TT will ride his draft choices further than their talent/production should get them.

To his credit, if I'm reading this correctly, one has to go back to 2009 to find one of TT's late-round choices that isn't still playing in the league.

Sort of off topic, but Bishop, to me, is a good indication of how team success has to be a combination of good moves from different folks. He turned out to be a real monster, albeit for just a while due to injury, but he languished behind Barnett for several years. Hitting the jackpot but failing to take the payoff out of the tray doesn't net anything.

Might just be the one example, but I drew a big "Huh?" when I got to Clark Harris. Searched Packers.com and came up empty. Searched NFL.com and found a long snapper for the Bengals, whose history doesn't show the Pack.

Crosby plays a position that (I think) is very, very rarely drafted with anything resembling a high choice. Might be one of my weaker comments.

Anyone with a real desire to roast or to toast TT could certainly point out other factors. Just wanted to put my knee-jerk reactions out there for discussion.
 
eyecatcher said:
Big difference between losing a guy for the season and being able to replace them rather than having them either play injured or miss time here and there. Packers had all 5 starters on the OL on the injury report, missing practice and games. MM never used injuries as an excuse and I don't really think we are either. It was reality that the injuries hurt this team significantly. I know some of you will come back with depth is key and we had no depth but no team has that much depth. Green Bay carried 8 OL players. 5 were hurt at one time. Green Bay had 6 WR and Cobb, Adams, Montgomery, and Abbredaris all missed time and/or played hurt. For the most part there was no "next" man to step up.

This season was sort of the perfect storm.
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This post really touched a nerve with some. 7 dislikes and 2 disagrees. May be a record for dislikes. For the record I am not giving anyone a free pass on this as there are many factors that went in to having the bad season for the offense. Injuries played a huge part. That is undeniable. MMs inflexibility to scheme to the players he had is a big one too. As is TTs unwillingness to fill gaps with FAs. Rodgers was off for most of the year. Lacy was Fat. Starks and Lacy fumbled too much. The WRs were awful more often than not. The TE position is stocked with slow players that can't get open. The list is long but to deny injuries were a huge factor puzzles me.
 
eyecatcher said:
This post really touched a nerve with some. 7 dislikes and 2 disagrees. May be a record for dislikes. For the record I am not giving anyone a free pass on this as there are many factors that went in to having the bad season for the offense. Injuries played a huge part. That is undeniable. MMs inflexibility to scheme to the players he had is a big one too. As is TTs unwillingness to fill gaps with FAs. Rodgers was off for most of the year. Lacy was Fat. Starks and Lacy fumbled too much. The WRs were awful more often than not. The TE position is stocked with slow players that can't get open. The list is long but to deny injuries were a huge factor puzzles me.
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The upcoming 2016 schedule, on paper, does not look nearly as daunting as 2015 was. I guess I don't think this roster is as wanting as some here do.
 
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