Post Game Thread: Lions Upset Green Bay At Home

plannedchaos said:
This is the low point for this team since they won the Super Bowl. Yeah, they went 8-7-1 in 2013, but that was with Rodgers hurt for most of the year.

This is the worst they've played offensively since they lost 7-3 to Detroit in 2010 — the year they won the Super Bowl.

Back then, folks were calling for McCarthy's head and bashing Thompson, just like you're hearing today. Even one esteemed poster started a thread predicting that the Packers would never win a Super Bowl with MM as HC.

We know how that ended.

So there's no reason to believe this team couldn't turn it around and make another run. That being said, lightening doesn't often strike the same spot twice.
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I think that it's easy to point to that season in hopes that this thing gets turned around. I believe AR got knocked out of that game but may be mistaken. It's the way this team has been playing. The wheels have seemingly fallen off and, imo, this team has nothing in common with that SB team. I would love for nothing more than me to be wrong but I don't see this getting any better this season. Something is lacking within this team. they are discombobulated and this loss, to a disheveled 1-7 franchise is definitely the low point.
 
I understand these guys are coached to not say anything to the media - I just hope to Christ that no one in the organization actually believes there's nothing wrong with the offense.

How we can go from covering the spread 5 weeks in a row to a total dumpster fire is incredible.

I believe the combo of missing Nelson and Lacy has put us in a tough spot. We're running this offense as if we still had these guys - and we don't. The NFL has figured this out.

We need to get more creative to get Cobb the football (HINT: RUNNING HIM OUT OF THE BACKFIELD TWO SERIES A GAME ISN"T THAT)

We need to get Starks the football in space.

And Rodgers needs to worry less about throwing INT's and more about making some actual plays.

Let's hope the people who matter can figure some of this out....
 
Abbey 5 catches on 7 targets 57 yards, and some crucial grabs late

Perillo 5 catches on 6 targets 58 yards and a crucial TD

Wow amazing, give some of these young guys more than 1 chance a game and they can actually catch the ball! I think considering the pathetic/whining effort and lazy routes of Cobb/Adams these guys have both earned more playing time next game. Enough of the "trust" excuses. They stepped up when GB needed them to and nobody else did.

Speaking of WR did Monty play? Did I miss that he was inactive?

WTH was Capers thinking with Jake Ryan? Didn't play a single snap?
 
I'm not even angry. Just really, really confused. How are guys who have a long history of excellence suddenly so pedestrian? Rodgers, Sitton, Cobb? And what happened to the offensive line? Same guys as last year, but somehow have gone from excellent to poor.

You could understand a sophomore slump from a guy like Clinton-Dix or Linsley, but guys who are still relatively young and have stacked pro-bowls shouldn't be playing this badly.
 
Jeremy said:
I'm not even angry. Just really, really confused. How are guys who have a long history of excellence suddenly so pedestrian? Rodgers, Sitton, Cobb? And what happened to the offensive line? Same guys as last year, but somehow have gone from excellent to poor.

You could understand a sophomore slump from a guy like Clinton-Dix or Linsley, but guys who are still relatively young and have stacked pro-bowls shouldn't be playing this badly.
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I don't have the stats in front of me, but anecdotally it seems that with our WR being so poor that DEF can send more guys crashing the oline because they can play man on the backside. So the oline is facing more pressure this year and they can't handle it while Arod isn't releasing as quick as the season goes on.
 
After a 6-0 start many fans bought into the "this team is elite" storyline. Reality is it never was. Bis team has not been right all year. There are multiple issues

Our wr cannot win one on one battles
Teams are keeping Rodgers in the pocket can't extend plays
Injury. Depth past first 24 is below average
Ol is really banged up
Lacy is ineffective
Leadership. Soft locker room
I also sense a fractured locker room but that's a much bigger issue.

And yes part is McCarthy and Thompson. It's an organizational problem. Can it be fixed this year? To some degree yes. But depth and roster is not a quick fix.
 
Cheesedog said:
Abbey 5 catches on 7 targets 57 yards, and some crucial grabs late

Perillo 5 catches on 6 targets 58 yards and a crucial TD

Wow amazing, give some of these young guys more than 1 chance a game and they can actually catch the ball! I think considering the pathetic/whining effort and lazy routes of Cobb/Adams these guys have both earned more playing time next game. Enough of the "trust" excuses. They stepped up when GB needed them to and nobody else did.

Speaking of WR did Monty play? Did I miss that he was inactive?

WTH was Capers thinking with Jake Ryan? Didn't play a single snap?
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Yes, you did.
 
Cheesedog said:
I don't have the stats in front of me, but anecdotally it seems that with our WR being so poor that DEF can send more guys crashing the oline because they can play man on the backside. So the oline is facing more pressure this year and they can't handle it while Arod isn't releasing as quick as the season goes on.
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Yeah, I am reading a lot of film watchers say that the WRs aren't winning and that the route concepts have to change to manufacture separation. I'm also reading comments from McCarthy that the process is fine and they just need to execute better. Normally I'm a fan of McCarthy's steady hand on the tiller, but it's starting to feel like stubbornness.

Packinatl said:
After a 6-0 start many fans bought into the "this team is elite" storyline. Reality is it never was. Bis team has not been right all year. There are multiple issues

Our wr cannot win one on one battles
Teams are keeping Rodgers in the pocket can't extend plays
Injury. Depth past first 24 is below average
Ol is really banged up
Lacy is ineffective
Leadership. Soft locker room
I also sense a fractured locker room but that's a much bigger issue.

And yes part is McCarthy and Thompson. It's an organizational problem. Can it be fixed this year? To some degree yes. But depth and roster is not a quick fix.
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Those are good points. It's hard to judge leadership and the state of the locker room from our seats on the coach, but it's certainly reasonable to suspect that. There's evidence to suggest that a coach has about a 10 year life expectancy before he gets stale in one particular place. I'm not say McCarthy should be fired, but it could be that his players are beginning to lose confidence or tune him out (perhaps Rodgers most of all). I'm a little uncomfortable speculating on that kind of stuff, but what the heck. That's what message boards are for, right? ;)

Lacy being ineffective is probably an underrated issue here. Starks is a good change of pace back, and can even carry the load for a short period of time, but he's not a difference maker over the long haul. Just having last year's Eddie Lacy would likely make a huge difference. Hopefully getting Quarless and Montgomery back will help, but it's hard to see this team contending for a SB this year. Might even be time to cue up the Jim Mora soundbite. ;)

If that's true, I'm hoping the Cardinals can take it all the way this year.
 
Jeremy said:
Yeah, I am reading a lot of film watchers say that the WRs aren't winning and that the route concepts have to change to manufacture separation. I'm also reading comments from McCarthy that the process is fine and they just need to execute better. Normally I'm a fan of McCarthy's steady hand on the tiller, but it's starting to feel like stubbornness.



Those are good points. It's hard to judge leadership and the state of the locker room from our seats on the coach, but it's certainly reasonable to suspect that. There's evidence to suggest that a coach has about a 10 year life expectancy before he gets stale in one particular place. I'm not say McCarthy should be fired, but it could be that his players are beginning to lose confidence or tune him out (perhaps Rodgers most of all). I'm a little uncomfortable speculating on that kind of stuff, but what the heck. That's what message boards are for, right? ;)

Lacy being ineffective is probably an underrated issue here. Starks is a good change of pace back, and can even carry the load for a short period of time, but he's not a difference maker over the long haul. Just having last year's Eddie Lacy would likely make a huge difference. Hopefully getting Quarless and Montgomery back will help, but it's hard to see this team contending for a SB this year. Might even be time to cue up the Jim Mora soundbite. ;)

If that's true, I'm hoping the Cardinals can take it all the way this year.
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Maybe if we did all sit on the coach after these kind of games, it'd make a difference. Either they'd get motivated or suffocate.

If I remember correctly, Capers' staleness starts at a point where Jason Pierre-Paul could the years on one hand. McCarthy, who knows?
 
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