What the hell is going on out there ? Roster cut edition

There's a story, in history that may or may not be true. I've heard directly from people who were in the organization at the time and they believe part of the story is true, and part isn't. We'll go from there.

Jim Ringo was one hell of a center with the Packers. He'd been the NFL's All-Pro center year after year since Lombardi came to Green Bay. Lombardi had told his players that he wouldn't negotiate contracts with agents. All contracts were between him and the players.

Legend has it that Ringo showed up at Lombardi's office with an agent, wanting to negotiate his new contract, after the 1963 season. Instead of talking to Ringo and his agent, Lombardi made a deal, on the phone, trading Ringo to the Eagles, and told the two of them that they needed to be in Philadelphia to negotiate that new contract.

The story is told to show that Lombardi meant business. There was no democracy in football. There was a head coach who made all decisions, and if you had an opinion different than his, or felt something should be done different, keep it inside because, if you don't, "Poof! You're gone!" Just like Kaiser Sosay.

The fact is, according to my old sources, Lombardi was going to trade Ringo. He wanted a younger, and bigger guy, at center, despite Ringo's level of play. There was a deal in the mill with the Eagles, but it hadn't been finalized. Lombardi was sitting on it, and may even have wanted to talk to Ringo about it personally, before making the decision. His showing up at Lombardi's office with the agent made the decision for him, because Lombardi did not talk to agents.

It became a great "point of discipline" after the trade took place, because Lombardi was always close mouthed about these things. It became legend.

The point is simple enough. An NFL team is not a democracy. You do not question the decisions of the head coach. You do not make waves in the locker room. If you violate these points, no matter how good you are, there's a strong chance you're going to be shown the door. The moment the HC loses control of his locker room, his job is history.

I think back about a question that was asked of McCarthy at half-time in the first preseason game. It was a simple question, but one that dealt with discipline. McCarthy got mad at the question and wasn't pleased it was asked. I wonder how much of that is part of the issue that happened, causing Sitton's release.
 
Now imagine you are David Bakhtiari. Do you give TT his hometown discount on the contract he's trying to renegotiate with you considering you probably get the same treatment as Sitton at the end of that contract? Or do you go out and test the market to ensure as big a payout as you can get?
 
Cheesedog said:
Now imagine you are David Bakhtiari. Do you give TT his hometown discount on the contract he's trying to renegotiate with you considering you probably get the same treatment as Sitton at the end of that contract? Or do you go out and test the market to ensure as big a payout as you can get?
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Bak has to look out for himself. He will probably be looking at a deal in the 7-10 million a year range. Question I have is he worth paying 7-10 million a year or do you let him walk and start Spriggs at LT next year?
 
And Thompson obviously didn't learn anything from Wolf.

Wolf said one of the biggest mistkes he made and showed up in the SB loss was getting rid of Wayne Simmons.

Saw Rodgers last night on sports. He clearly wasn't happy and stunned by his body language. Words wise he said that he has learned nothing surprises him anymore and that he could be gone/ cut down the road. Hr made mention to team always making youth moves. Kind of bland statements, but his body language spoke volumes.

As Pack, Mark, some otherss and I have been saying, something isn't right in GB. It will eventually come out and be exposed.
 
[Fritz="Budman, post: 18131, member: 13"]You missed a tough son of a gun. Fritz had a knack for a nasty defense.[/QUOTE]

Fritz was more inventive in his little finger then Capers ever will be. Capers looked great with all the great players he had to work with.

Fritz had to invent new schemes/ defenses to make up for lack of talent and injuries when with AZ. Miss Fritz.
 
Terranimal said:
And Thompson obviously didn't learn anything from Wolf.

Wolf said one of the biggest mistkes he made and showed up in the SB loss was getting rid of Wayne Simmons.

Saw Rodgers last night on sports. He clearly wasn't happy and stunned by his body language. Words wise he said that he has learned nothing surprises him anymore and that he could be gone/ cut down the road. Hr made mention to team always making youth moves. Kind of bland statements, but his body language spoke volumes.

As Pack, Mark, some otherss and I have been saying, something isn't right in GB. It will eventually come out and be exposed.
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IMHO, and as someone who has said it's time to move on from MM this past season, he's a stale coach with a stale message trying desperately to stay relevant. He has a future HOF QB who may be one of the best ever to make him look good, yet people can see the issues. You can see it in MM's reaction any time someone brings up something negative. You can see it in the team on the field (no passion, no fire, just a group of individuals doing their specific job).

I know it's not popular, and ya it's cynical, no I'm not ya ra ra everything Packers and no I'm not just trying to be a pain. But it's time to move on. Sure he as the record (largely in part due to Arod) but this team desperately needs a new focus, new direction, new passion, and new fire in the belly before they completely waste the potential they have. You can see it in the players and on the field. When you take everything as a whole since that SEA loss. Its' just time.

Just as it was "time" to move on from Sitton evidently. Same goes for MM.

There I said it. tc(sb(nailbite)
 
GBP4EVER said:
Bak has to look out for himself. He will probably be looking at a deal in the 7-10 million a year range. Question I have is he worth paying 7-10 million a year or do you let him walk and start Spriggs at LT next year?
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That's a pretty big range. Right now, that that would put him anywhere from low middle-of-the-pack to nearly Top 10. Of course, many things go into what makes a contract, but since Spriggs costs next to nothing for a while, a reasonably structured contract for Bak wouldn't be hard to stomach.
 
Half Empty said:
That's a pretty big range. Right now, that that would put him anywhere from low middle-of-the-pack to nearly Top 10. Of course, many things go into what makes a contract, but since Spriggs costs next to nothing for a while, a reasonably structured contract for Bak wouldn't be hard to stomach.
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Figure this is a big year for him. If he has good year he could push top 10 money. He gets hurt or struggles he will probably fall into that lower middle pack money.
 
Cheesedog said:
IMHO, and as someone who has said it's time to move on from MM this past season, he's a stale coach with a stale message trying desperately to stay relevant. He has a future HOF QB who may be one of the best ever to make him look good, yet people can see the issues. You can see it in MM's reaction any time someone brings up something negative. You can see it in the team on the field (no passion, no fire, just a group of individuals doing their specific job).

I know it's not popular, and ya it's cynical, no I'm not ya ra ra everything Packers and no I'm not just trying to be a pain. But it's time to move on. Sure he as the record (largely in part due to Arod) but this team desperately needs a new focus, new direction, new passion, and new fire in the belly before they completely waste the potential they have. You can see it in the players and on the field. When you take everything as a whole since that SEA loss. Its' just time.

Just as it was "time" to move on from Sitton evidently. Same goes for MM.

There I said it. tc(sb(nailbite)
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CD- You know I share this opinion also. The unwritten rule of 8 years and complacency sets in. It was obvious last year when a completely mediocre RB, Crockett, got in a game and we all saw his enthusiasm because it was so much more than anyone else on the field was showing. The 'play not to lose' attitude forgot about making a play to Win IT!
TT will leave soon, IMO, and the new GM will make the change.

If I could have my wish right now? I'd bring Gruden in to light a fire. I like most of the staff right now, especially our new WR coach and our DBs coaches.
 
Unfortunately, seems Thompson & McCarthy are joined together. We won't see a change until Thompson retires.

When TT retires then Elliott Wolf or whoever the new GM will give McCarthy a yr before replacing him. Hopefully that isn't too many years down the road when Rodgers is well past prime.

What irks the heck out of me is history repeated. We wasted Favre's best years under Sherman and bad coach decisions and player moves...

The comparisons are over whelming..... 4th and 26 to total collaspe in Seattle loss, and so on.

Very frustrating when considering the talent that has passed through here and got wasted and then moves w/o having replacements...aka Woodson and on.

I hope for the best with a SB win, but at same time knowing our overall talent level, coaching and so on, realize that odds are against that.
 
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