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Wednesday, July 17 – Quarterbacks, rookies and injured players report

Sunday, July 21 – Veteran players report

Monday, July 22 10:30 a.m. First practice

Tuesday, July 23 10:30 a.m.

Wednesday, July 24 10:30 a.m.

Friday, July 26 10:30 a.m.

Saturday, July 27 10:30 a.m.

Sunday, July 28 10:30 a.m.

Tuesday, July 30 10:30 a.m.

Wednesday, July 31 10:30 a.m.

Thursday, Aug. 1 10:30 a.m.

Saturday, Aug. 3 7:30 p.m. Packers Family Night

Tuesday, Aug. 6 10:30 a.m.

Wednesday, Aug. 7 10:30 a.m.

Tuesday, Aug. 13 10:30 a.m.

Wednesday, Aug. 14 10:30 a.m.

Tuesday, Aug. 20 10:30 a.m.

Thursday, Aug. 22 10:30 a.m.
 
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GREEN BAY, Wis. – The Green Bay Packers will take a 90-man roster to the field for the first practice of training camp on July 22.

Here is Part 11 of our ranking of the most important players on the Packers’ roster. This isn’t just a listing of the team’s best players. These rankings consider talent, importance of the position, depth at the position, salary and draft history. More than anything, we hope you learn something about each player.

No. 24: OL Jordan Morgan​

Morgan would rank much higher than 24th if he were penciled in as the starting right guard or even a potential starter at left tackle. However, some rookie-year uncertainty is a factor.

Regardless, the Packers expect the first-round pick to get on the field, whether it’s as a Day 1 starter or the unit’s season-long utilityman.
“He reminds me a lot of myself, not to toot my own horn,” starting right tackle Zach Tom said. “He has good feet, he moves really well. I think he’s going to be a really good player in the league. Obviously, he has that versatility. He’s going to be really good.”

Morgan, a three-year starting left tackle at Arizona, spent most of the offseason shuttling between right guard and right tackle. He played some left tackle, too, and even a little left guard.

“It’s a grind,” Morgan said at the end of minicamp. “It’s challenging, for sure, because in college I played left tackle. Being able to come out here and use my versatility and balancing right side, left side, guards and everything like that, it’s been a challenge, but it’s also been good for me.”


Morgan is an excellent athlete by the stopwatch and the eyeball test. He is explosive off the ball. However, does he have the requisite length to survive on the edge? It’s worth noting his 32 7/8-inch arms are rare but not unique.

According to our look at projected training camp depth charts, 44 offensive tackles have arms of at least 34 inches, 16 are in the 33s and four are in the 32s. Two of them are left tackles: the Colts’ Bernhard Raimann (32 3/4 inches) and the Rams’ Alaric Jackson (32 1/2). Raimann was PFF’s fourth-ranked left tackle last year while Jackson was just a bit below average.

“I laugh because that’s one of the first things people say is arm length is 32 1/4 or 3/4,” offensive line coach Luke Butkus said. “There are a lot of guys that have played this game that were too short, that had too short of arms, that weren’t big enough. We’re used to hearing that
“To me, it doesn’t matter. If your arms are too short, you better be really violent with your hands. That’s our job is to coach and teach that.”

No. 23: DT Devonte Wyatt​

When new defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley and defensive line coach Jason Rebrovich talk about an attacking defense, the prime beneficiary could be Wyatt, a first-round pick in 2022 based on athleticism more than his ability to be stout at the point of attack.


“The thing about Devonte Wyatt, he’s quick, fast, and athletic. So, you’re going to have to develop things around him to use those attributes,” Rebrovich said at the start of OTAs. “What a great opportunity for him and us. That’s the mindset that we’re working to develop is creating those TFLs, that mindset of getting into the backfield. And he executes every one of those. He checks all the boxes. So, we’re definitely looking for a great outcome for that young man for this upcoming season.”

Wyatt had a solid second-year jump, going from 1.5 sacks, 15 tackles and zero tackles for losses in 2022 to 5.5 sacks, 36 tackles and six tackles for losses in 2023. Of 98 interior defenders with at least 200 pass-rushing opportunities, Wyatt ranked second behind only Chiefs star Chris Jones in PFF’s pass-rushing productivity, which measures sacks, hits and hurries per pass-rushing snap. Had he not missed so many tackles, he might have threatened a 10-sack season.

Wyatt played in 3-4 and 4-3 schemes at Georgia, so there is a sense of familiarity in new coordinator Jeff Hafley’s defense.
“I liked that better,” he said of a four-man front. “I can’t for sure tell you why, I just feel like it gave me the best chance to attack, attack, attack instead of reading and reacting.”

No. 22: TE Tucker Kraft​

First, Kraft tore his pectoral while on the bench press.
“It just popped right off the bone,” he said.

Ten days after surgery, he got married.

“It impacted a lot,” he said. “Not being able to use half your torso is not very fun when you’re trying to dance, especially when you like to swing dance and stuff like that. It was a bummer.”
Also a bummer was not being able to participate in offseason practices. Kraft has a lofty goal for the season in becoming one of the best run-blocking tight ends in the NFL. When the Packers absolutely need to gain yards, he wants the team to run the ball his direction.

“I want to be better with my first two steps of contact on back-side and inside zone. That’s where I want to improve,” he said. “This year, I want to take over the run at the tight end and the inside zone kind of throughout the entirety. That’s my goal. When my number’s called and it’s run at me, that my running back is comfortable pressing his landmark and getting the ball back upfield.

“I think that’s a huge emphasis – having a tight end who’s really steady, really consistent in the run game, especially in our offense. We’re outside zone, I want to be 100 percent secure and comfortable and confident every single time.”
Kraft had an excellent rookie season. After barely playing at the start, Kraft caught 31 passes for 355 yards and two touchdowns to post one of the best rookie seasons by a tight end in franchise history. During the final eight games, he caught 28-of-35 passes for 344 yards. While Luke Musgrave wins with graceful athleticism, Kraft wins with physicality.

That’s where he excelled at South Dakota State. But would that skill transfer against the bigger, faster and more talented athletes of the NFL? Yes, was the resounding answer. Among the 45 tight ends who were targeted at least 30 times in the passing game, Kraft’s 7.5 yards after the catch per catch was best in the NFL.

“Everyone was wrong,” he said about his FCS-to-NFL transition. “Anyone who tries to shove that small-school narrative, they can put it where the sun don’t shine.”

No. 21: LB Edgerrin Cooper​

It’s not easy being a rookie linebacker. The basis of many NFL offenses are dressing up relatively simple plays with a bunch of movement and misdirection – eye candy – to get a defender’s eyes moving to one side to get the ball to the other.

As ESPN’s Mina Kimes put it recently: “Very few off-ball linebackers seem to do well when they come into the NFL these days. I think a lot of that has to do with offensive coordinators … who really isolate them and make their lives hell. It’s very hard to play linebacker right now in the NFL, because of all the motions and the RPO-centric offenses and everything that offensive coordinators do on that front.”
The Packers need Cooper to play. Not at some point during his rookie season but right away. The second-round pick is too talented and fills too big of a hole to not be on the field. With 8.5 sacks and an SEC-leading 17 tackles for losses, he was an All-American at Texas A&M because of his skill as a tackler, blitzer and cover guy.

“Think this is a critical time for, in particular his case, he’s got to keep building on the foundation that he’s laid,” coach Matt LaFleur said at the end of minicamp, “and we expect him to come back even better and have a better knowledge base on what is required of him.

“There was one play in particular today that I thought for sure we were going to get him on and he did a heck of a job with it. And I was kind of teasing the coaches, did you preview him for that play? And they did not. So, that’s a credit to him and just how engaged he’s been and how locked in he’s been throughout the course of the offseason.”
That sounded like a challenge by LaFleur. Cooper’s been challenged before.

“I thought he really showed this past season what he’s really made of, what his work ethic is, and how important football is in being a top-notch guy,” D.J. Durkin, the defensive coordinator and linebackers coach the past two seasons at Texas A&M, told Packer Central. “I challenged him and he made his mind up to say, ‘I’m going to go prepare and do things at a higher level,’ and I thought his play certainly showed it.”
 

Can Jordan Love’s offense be one of NFL’s best?​


The Green Bay Packers should have one of the NFL’s best collections of offensive skill position players if last season’s late success is any indication of what’s to come in 2024.

Running back Josh Jacobs is the oldest of the bunch at 26 years old, with quarterback Jordan Love at 25, running backs AJ Dillon and MarShawn Lloyd at 26 and 23, wide receivers Christian Watson (25), Jayden Reed (24), Romeo Doubs (24), Dontayvion Wicks (23) and Bo Melton (25) all 25 or younger and tight ends Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft both 23 years old.

“It’s weird because I’m like, ‘Man, I ain’t that old,’” Jacobs said with a laugh this offseason. “But I think that’s dope, though, because last year a lot of them young guys in the beginning of the season was still kind of trying to figure it out or at least that’s what it looked like from the outside looking in. You know when it starts to click because for most young guys, it’s just about experience. Them having that whole year’s worth of experience and then coming in this year, I’m excited to see a lot of them take that step. I just hope to be a part of that and help in any way that I can.”

Here’s how the depth chart for each position group on offense shakes out before the first practice of training camp next Monday.

Quarterback: Jordan Love, Sean Clifford, Michael Pratt

Will one of the backups begin training camp as the starter if Love doesn’t have a new contract by July 22 and decides to hold out? General manager Brian Gutekunst said on The Game radio station recently that he wants to get a deal done before camp, and Love later said he thinks one could get done before camp starts based on what he’s heard. Let’s say Love has signed by the time next Monday rolls around. The biggest question surrounding this position group then is who wins the No. 2 job and who ends up on the practice squad.

Gutekunst said this offseason that Clifford could be more than just a backup in the league based on what he showed last year, but he’ll have to eliminate days like his three-interception one during minicamp to reach his potential. Pratt might break a receiver’s hand in camp because of how hard he throws, but there’s far more to earning a spot on the 53-man roster in coach Matt LaFleur’s offense than just that. If anything is for certain, watching prolific passers Clifford and Pratt duke it out in preseason games should be entertaining.
Running back: Josh Jacobs, AJ Dillon, MarShawn Lloyd, Emanuel Wilson, Ellis Merriweather, Jarveon Howard, Henry Pearson (fullback)

The Packers hope Jacobs returns to the version of himself named a first-team All-Pro in 2022 after a down 2023. He’ll need to stay on the field to do so after only playing a full season once in his five years with the Raiders. Though Jacobs ranks second in the NFL in carries and rushing yards since he entered the league as a first-round pick in 2019 and is capable of being more of a workhorse back than Aaron Jones was, don’t expect the Packers to be a one-man backfield. It seems inevitable that the rookie third-round pick Lloyd will be the No. 2 at some point this season, but how early? Dillon re-signed this offseason for barely above the veteran minimum after an underwhelming 2023, and he has one more chance to stake his claim as a valued member of Green Bay’s backfield. After Dillon was drafted in 2020 to be the No. 3 behind Jones and Jamaal Williams for a year before one of them left in free agency the next offseason, he barely played. When asked how Lloyd’s situation compares with Dillon’s in 2020, offensive coordinator Adam Stenavich said he wants Lloyd to play more than Dillon did as a rookie and see as many snaps as possible this season. Lloyd might not be the thumper that Dillon is, but he appears to be quicker, shiftier and more explosive and might be more of an asset as a pass catcher, too.
Wide receiver: Christian Watson, Jayden Reed, Romeo Doubs, Dontayvion Wicks, Bo Melton, Malik Heath, Samori Toure, Grant DuBose, Alex McGough, Julian Hicks, Dimitri Stanley

The Packers don’t have a bonafide No. 1 wide receiver — yet — but either Watson if he stays healthy, or Reed, if he builds off his rookie production, could become that. Regardless, the Packers might end up with one of the best 1-5 receivers groups in the NFL even if they don’t have a Justin Jefferson type atop the depth chart. Heck, it was Melton with the first 100-yard game from a Green Bay wideout last season, and that came in Week 17.
“In Green Bay especially, I don’t think we ever think of having a No. 1 or No. 2,” Watson said. “We all just try to be the best versions of ourselves when we’re out there. I think that we put in the work every day for every single one of us to be able to do everything if our number is called.”
Love said it feels like night and day operating the offense this offseason. The quarterback’s familiarity with his wide receivers should help the Packers hit the ground running instead of spending the first half of the season ironing out the kinks again. Remember that play last season in Denver during a Week 7 loss when Watson and Reed were literally on top of each other as a third-down pass sailed past them incomplete? That shouldn’t happen again.

Keeping Watson on the field is paramount for this group to reach its potential since he might be their biggest game breaker. He feels his faulty hamstring is in a good spot after an offseason visit to a Madison, Wis., specialist, so maybe Year 3 is the one we finally see in consistent stretches the brilliance we’ve seen from Watson in spurts over the last two seasons.
Tight end: Luke Musgrave, Tucker Kraft, Ben Sims, Tyler Davis, Joel Wilson, Messiah Swinson

Musgrave was the guy to start last season before suffering a lacerated kidney after falling on the ball awkwardly against the Los Angeles Chargers in Week 11. If there’s any silver lining to Musgrave’s injury, from which he returned late in the season, it’s that his absence allowed Kraft to show he can be the guy, too. So how do the Packers manage a star running back, five wide receivers you want to give the ball and two tight ends who command passes? LaFleur would say that’s a good problem to have. The only problem, if it’s even considered one, is the torn pectoral Kraft suffered lifting weights this offseason. However, he shouldn’t miss much, if any, of training camp.

“I think both those guys can do it all,” LaFleur said of Musgrave and Kraft. “I think they both will end up becoming complete tight ends in this league in terms of their ability to run block and then what they can do for you in the passing game. And I think they both have a little bit different flavor to them, which for us, allows for more flexibility on the offensive side of the ball. They’re both great dudes that love the game of football and I think just to see where they are from a year ago, it’s night and day.”
Offensive line: Rasheed Walker, Elgton Jenkins, Josh Myers, Sean Rhyan, Zach Tom, Jordan Morgan, Andre Dillard, Jacob Monk, Royce Newman, Luke Tenuta, Caleb Jones, Travis Glover, Donovan Jennings, Kadeem Telfort, Lecitus Smith

This group is where the most uncertainty lies on offense. The Packers drafted the Arizona left tackle Morgan in the first round, and he’s adamant he can be an NFL left tackle amid questions about his arm length, but don’t count out Walker protecting Love’s blind side after doing so for more than three-quarters of the offensive snaps last season.

“‘Sheed didn’t say anything after the draft,” LaFleur said of the 2022 seventh-round pick. “He just came in and got to work and that’s what we’re looking for, and I think he’s been a guy that’s been totally locked in and dialed in and it’s amazing to see just the growth, the maturation from when he was a rookie to now.”

Tom is nursing a torn pec, but he’s in a similar situation as Kraft in terms of return timetable. He figures to start at right tackle when healthy, and Jenkins appears entrenched at left guard. Does Myers have a stronghold on the center position? If so, that would leave right guard as the biggest question. Rhyan split snaps there with the departed Jon Runyan Jr. last season, but he’ll have competition, perhaps in the form of Green Bay’s first-round pick if the staff thinks there is Morgan’s best chance to earn a starting spot.
 
So do the Packers go like they have for several years when breaking camp and have only 2 QB's on the roster or this year do we see 3 QB's? Personally I think Pratt is going to be good enough that you can't cut him and get him to the PS. I think Clifford will just be a little more advanced that the Packers will keep Clifford as the backup for this year but next season you see a true battle in camp for the backup job.
 
who is the most likely wide receiver to emerge as a "true #1"?

this chart would seem to indicate that last season most of the packer receivers were clustered right around average. but one receiver was much closer to some of the league's elites.

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I think it was Kay Adams the other day on her show saying if she had to pick one of the Packers WR's to be a #1 it would be Wicks.
 
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