Upgrading the Packers

A few thoughts here.

First while some are looking to improve thru free agents, the key to quality depth is undrafted free agents. No team can pay for studs at every position. NFL has become more like college, u have to keep developing players and replacing players every 3-4 years. Likewise can't expect every udfa to become a stud.

The winning plan is out there by the Pats. Finding players that fit scheme, rolling dice on players, etc. Of course second part is coaching. Believe outside of ST, we have coaching that will only get better.

Believe some here are under value Clark and Martinez. This season have listened to more games then have watched. Listening to Larry in games, both those players are doing more then u might think. What team has needed for years is a coverage/ stud LBer to pair up with Martinez.

QB: The biggest difference between Favre and Rodgers? Rodgers will only throw to he trusts. Favre didn't care and would throw to the open guy regardless.

Offense: Is a double whammy. Rodgers still holds on to ball too long yet on the other hand we have one number one we and a bunch of maybe number 3/4 wrs that don't scare anyone and have troubles getting open.

Mistake made was thinking one of them would step up and become that number 2. Count me in on making the same mistake. This squad is a far cry from Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Cobb.

We definitely need another WR. So would grab one if there and fit in either Rd 1 or 2. But rookies seldom make the impact til year two. Therefore will suggest an unpopular move....sign AB. He's a future HOF proven WR. Would be big time rolling the dice, but a year out would hope he's done some soul searching. Wolf took the chance on Rison. AB wants a ring and we need a WR, other contenders don't need him, so think we would have a better shot then most might think.

O Line: Been saying for over two years we need a RT. Lindsey has more then his share of problems also against good d linemen. Whether that is because of Guards not sure. Depth is also a concern.

TE: Was against signing Graham from start. Wanted to axe him this year and bring Cook back. Tonyan been hurt and don't know what we have in Jace.

Bottom line is we all knew this was a 2 to 3 year rebuild. The fact we have the record we do goes to the new coaching staff and the moves Gute made, but there still work to be done. Plus we also need to start looking for another QB over next 2 years.
 
Animal,

I agree with everything you are saying except Martinez.

He is blocked and washed out of running plays way too often. He does not have the speed or coverage skills to help in the passing game.

Explain to me what you mean by Martinez is doing more than we think?
 
Tell me if this doesn't sound like Green Bay?! Just Substitute AR for Brady, Adams, for Edelman and the rest of the no name WR's.

New England struggles

Trust, or lack thereof, between a quarterback and his pass catchers is a huge part of an offense's success or failure. I know Brady trusts Julian Edelman, but he's not always going to be open. And that's what we saw on Sunday night, when the Texans did everything they could to erase Edelman as an option, forcing Brady to try and direct his young receivers, often resulting in incompletions or a turnover. It doesn't help that New England's run game has stalled this season. In all fairness, the Patriots lost three major components of their ground attack in 2019: Rob Gronkowski (retired), James Develin (injured reserve) and Trent Brown (signed with Oakland). We're really seeing the effect that Gronk had on this unit -- not only in the pass game, but also as a blocker. Not being able to count on the run game has required Brady to go win games with his arm. The veteran quarterback isn't "losing it"; he's simply playing with a new cast of characters -- including two rookies in N'Keal Harry and Jakobi Meyers and no real threat at the tight end position.
 
Animal,

I agree with everything you are saying except Martinez.

He is blocked and washed out of running plays way too often. He does not have the speed or coverage skills to help in the passing game.

Explain to me what you mean by Martinez is doing more than we think?

I don't know if any of us really understand exactly what Martinez assignments are under different situations. He clearly can't run with the faster WRs, but if you want a person to do that, you have to give away size, and that amounts to fewer tackles. He does blow some plays. Considering he's involved in the outcome of roughly one out of every four plays that are run against the Packers, he is going to make mistakes at times.

PFF ranked him as the 17th best linebacker in the NFL. When you decide to let him go free agency, and planning on replacing him, you might want to think of who it is you would consider good enough to not only replace him, but play the position better.

One of two things will happen before the season is over. The Packers will extend his contract with an extremely healthy payout, or he's going to leave Green Bay for one helluva large contract somewhere else, and we're going to end up with a dog and pony show of "auditioners," as one after another appear to fail, because there just ain't a lot of guys out there who are really big enough to play the role against the run that Blake does, and still have the speed to cover speedy receivers.

What we might consider is that the second inside linebackers have never been good enough to play next to Martinez, instead of cutting him down as the one who's making all the screw ups. The guy is a tackling machine. He makes more mistakes than other players, but he does so much more as well.
 
What we might consider is that the second inside linebackers have never been good enough to play next to Martinez, instead of cutting him down as the one who's making all the screw ups.

+1
 
The reality is that both ILB spots need an upgrade. Martinez is a nice player but he's not a difference maker / playmaker and IMO you don't give big extensions to players like that. #1 I don't want any ILB getting isolated vs a WR, thats a scheme issue but at the same time our LB struggle with TE at times. We are easily exposed in the run game up the gut, and while thats also a DL issue for not eating blockers out ILB are slow to commit.
 
The reality is that both ILB spots need an upgrade. Martinez is a nice player but he's not a difference maker / playmaker and IMO you don't give big extensions to players like that. #1 I don't want any ILB getting isolated vs a WR, thats a scheme issue but at the same time our LB struggle with TE at times. We are easily exposed in the run game up the gut, and while thats also a DL issue for not eating blockers out ILB are slow to commit.

No. The reality is that you can't afford to spend two early picks replacing two ILBs, and address the other issues on the team as well. Did you miss the fact he's rated as the 17th best LB in the league? You'd better explain how you will get someone "better" with the picks you have, and still address other needs.

Get a solid 2nd ILB who fits the role of a cover guy as well, and team him with Martinez, and then make that judgement call. Over the years, we've watched on after another fail, and it always comes around to blaming Martinez now, and Hawk before him. In the meantime, one after another, the other inside guys disappear because they were wasted picks. Yet, it's all Martinez fault?

Martinez 40 time at the combine was 4.71. Not good, but not bad for someone big enough to make tackles. You need someone like him because you are only using 3 down linemen.
 
No. The reality is that you can't afford to spend two early picks replacing two ILBs, and address the other issues on the team as well. Did you miss the fact he's rated as the 17th best LB in the league? You'd better explain how you will get someone "better" with the picks you have, and still address other needs.

Get a solid 2nd ILB who fits the role of a cover guy as well, and team him with Martinez, and then make that judgement call. Over the years, we've watched on after another fail, and it always comes around to blaming Martinez now, and Hawk before him. In the meantime, one after another, the other inside guys disappear because they were wasted picks. Yet, it's all Martinez fault?

Martinez 40 time at the combine was 4.71. Not good, but not bad for someone big enough to make tackles. You need someone like him because you are only using 3 down linemen.

Because I take PFF rankings with a grain of salt, they ranked Dallas as the #4 team in the league recently, is Kenny Clark the 6th best DL interior? dont think so. And it's also cap management. You cant overpay for someone who is not an impact player and with some stupid cap money out there someone will.
 
No. The reality is that you can't afford to spend two early picks replacing two ILBs, and address the other issues on the team as well. Did you miss the fact he's rated as the 17th best LB in the league? You'd better explain how you will get someone "better" with the picks you have, and still address other needs.
He's a 4-3 ILB playing in the wrong system, you can quote stats all day long. He's awful in coverage and often gets numbers cleaning up. I have seen him whiff more solo attempts then make. I can cut him loose...move to a 4-3 scheme and spend 1 pick on ILB and be just fine Thank you very much.
 
Funny how with Martinez, I both think we should get an upgrade at the position, and am extremely thankful for his service. Incredible value for a 4th round pick at a position where we've had nothing to support him nor to back him up.

Like appreciating your Volvo that has never broken down in 200 000 miles, and really, really wishing it was a Ferrari.

If the market disappoints him, which is possible, I'd love him back as ILB2.
 
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