Offense as a whole

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  1. Dubz41

    Dubz41 Member

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    http://www.jsonline.com/story/sport...6/dougherty-rodgers-tape-doesnt-lie/92774590/

    Nice article. It reaffirmed my belief that ARod's just got to start taking what defenses give him. Timing and rhythm. Our WRs do get open, it just happens in the first 2-3 seconds of the play. Give it to them. Make the DBs step up to stop the short slant, then take your shot deep. Baby steps. Sometimes the answer is just to reset and start again. Go Pack!
     
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  2. PackerShrine

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    I like the idea of the Spot Light on Aaron Rodgers, he's the one making by far the largest chunk of money.

    He has a heavy load to carry this season, but you know what they say, "that's why you get paid the big bucks."
     
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  3. Mark87

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    I disagree... the offense hasn't evolved in 3 yrs.

    This quote tells me he's full of it >

    His mechanics are not the same... at least 3 or more former QB and HC have seen it but our hometown brown nosing reporter says he's fine ? I call BS fluff piece. podo( Sorry
     
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  4. TW

    TW Moderator

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    I've watched his mechanics change over the last few years, and have spoken about it repeatedly, on several boards. IF Rodgers and those around him continue to bury their heads in the sand, and refuse to see what's happening, he's destined to be nothing more than an average QB at best, for the rest of his career.

    I don't care what sport you play, or what position you play, there are specific things you need to do, to play that position, and when you stop working on being more precise, the skills erode.

    For something easier to see, let's talk about hitting a baseball. If you never take batting practice, and if you don't do spring training, and figure you're just going to start the first game of the season being able to hit at your peak capability, you're a fool. If you're a golfer and you figure you don't need to work on your swing, and loosen up before starting a round, you're a fool. Rodgers is no longer working on the finer points of his mechanics. I don't think McCarthy, or any of his coaches have the balls to push him on the issue, fearing he's going to revolt.
     
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  5. ChampionshipBelt

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    I agree with the article in that AR needs to be more on rhythm and take what the defense gives him; however, TW and Mark are correct. ARs footwork and mechanics are different.
    I was a QB when I played football and was a QB coach for few years and I can tell you it is definitely different then 4 years ago.
     
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  6. TW

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    It's difficult for the average fan to see this subtle changes in a person's game. If you've been around it, played it, and coached it, you are drawn into the complexity of what it takes to actually play the game effectively. CB understands it, and has lived it. So have I, except not as a QB. I was a FB, Linebacker, and punter. Each had their own list of measures needed to succeed.

    Despite what appears to be the contrary, because of the physicality of the game, the best football players do play with a lot more knowledge of "how to play the game" than anyone would think. It's why slower WRs can be successful, by knowing how to run routes, and get open. It's how a slower safety reads defenses, and is in the right place at the right time to break up, or intercept passes. It's also how that same back reads angles, and can tackle a much faster player, when the average person would be beat. It's the footwork, and upper body positioning that separates a left tackle from every other offensive lineman. It's the ability to read defenses, and get to the second level on blocks that dictates who the better center is, on a team. It's reads, like John Kuhn made, to get to the right guy to block, repeatedly, to save Rodgers from being rushed, or hit, when he's waiting for receivers to work off the ball. It's the ability of a linebacker to fill a gap, yet recognize when he should abandon that gap, and cover short, in a passing lane. Even more, it's knowing where the passing lanes really are, based on the offense, and even your defensive team surrounding you.

    Lots of things to know, and consider. The play itself is almost like a Swiss time piece from the past, with it's precise wheels, and springs, carefully measuring elements of time, to create a watch, so accurate, that it is the measure of perfection.
     
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  7. Crease Creature

    Crease Creature Lifetime Member

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    I got kicked off the air by a local sports talk show for trying to discuss ARs mechanics. The host dismissed me, saying he didn't want to go there unless I was an NFL QB or was QB coach at a high level"

    I tried firing back with "you don't need to be a QB coach to see he's different. Put in a tape from '10 or '11 vs now and look at all the little..." and that's when i got cut.

    The host then after that started going off on 'armchair quarterbacks' and how if the Packers coaching staff wasn't seeing this stuff we certainly shouldn't get into the minutiae of playing QB at that level.

    Well, that made me mad, and later towards the end of the show, I called just to talk to the producer, and told him that I was the guy from before who was commenting on ARs poor fundamentals. And that, sure, I wasn't an NFL QB, but I was a db at a big xii school for three years and broke down film on plenty of qbs of varying talent-and-skill levels, and I've coached defenses/dbs for various HS and DIII programs in WI, so I know what good QB mechanics look like, and what bad QB mechanics look like, and AR is looking more like the latter.

    I told him to tell the host that, and if they needed proof, I'd be happy to get letters/emails from some of my former coaches and some of the guys above me on the various staffs I'd been on.

    He said he'd pass it along, and the next day I had an email from the host offering that if I could prove what I said, he'd want to have me as a regular contributor. I said back that unless we'd open up with a live, on-air apology, he could go piss off.

    Never heard back.

    The point: wanna tick me off? Tell me I'm wrong without giving me the opportunity to prove it so.

    Long story made short: AR is still playing off, and had plenty of poor throws (and a couple bad decisions/reads) against the Bears. The difference is that the WR are running high-percentage type routes, and there were some really good catches against a really bad secondary.
     
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  8. eyecatcher

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    The Packers will be facing more of a really bad secondary this week so if they keep running those high percentage type routes and continue catching the ball GB should be OK.
     
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  9. GBkrzygrl

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    I think anyone that has been watching Aaron can see that something is off, but does not have the knowledge to pinpoint what the issue is as several of you have stated.

    But if I'm following you, you're saying that the problem with Aaron is he is not practicing enough or is not willing to see what he is doing incorrectly and is not willing to work on improving the mechanics or whatever?
     
  10. realitybytes

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    virtually everyone said that favre had terrible mechanics and warned young players not to try to emulate him. hall of fame. just sayin.
     
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