Young QB Tim Boyle gives Packers a do-over for Taysom Hill

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This is an interesting read, and sheds some light on how risky and difficult it is to find the "next" franchise QB.

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that was a good read, danno. and it is one of the things that i think about a lot when people start talking like rodgers is disposable. like it's a big game of madden and you can just plug in the next hall-of-fame qb. although we might never hear it, i suspect that there are a few teams out there that wish they had to deal with the cap problem of paying a top qb like rodgers and still being able to provide a good surrounding cast. is there a balance point somewhere - where you can have a modestly paid mediocre qb and spend gobs of money on other positions? it sure doesn't seem that way. mediocre qbs get mega-dollar contracts because there aren't enough of them.
 

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that was a good read, danno. and it is one of the things that i think about a lot when people start talking like rodgers is disposable. like it's a big game of madden and you can just plug in the next hall-of-fame qb. although we might never hear it, i suspect that there are a few teams out there that wish they had to deal with the cap problem of paying a top qb like rodgers and still being able to provide a good surrounding cast. is there a balance point somewhere - where you can have a modestly paid mediocre qb and spend gobs of money on other positions? it sure doesn't seem that way. mediocre qbs get mega-dollar contracts because there aren't enough of them.
Agree rb.

Since 2000, only 3 non-franchise type QB's have won a SB were Trent Dilfer (BALT/2000), Brad Johnson (Tampa/2002), and Nick Foles (PHILLY 2017), every other SB winning team has had a franchise QB and its a pretty short list.
Brady
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Wilson
Flacco
(That's 8 QB's covering 15 SB's)
Dilfer, Johnson, and Foles had dominating defenses that helped make it happen.
 

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Foles had no defense. Eagles def gave up 33 points and over 600 yards. Brady threw for 500 and three Pat's received went over 100 yards
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He may never do much again but he won that SB for them. Unlike Dilfer and Flacco who did have great def
 

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that was a good read, danno. and it is one of the things that i think about a lot when people start talking like rodgers is disposable. like it's a big game of madden and you can just plug in the next hall-of-fame qb. although we might never hear it, i suspect that there are a few teams out there that wish they had to deal with the cap problem of paying a top qb like rodgers and still being able to provide a good surrounding cast. is there a balance point somewhere - where you can have a modestly paid mediocre qb and spend gobs of money on other positions? it sure doesn't seem that way. mediocre qbs get mega-dollar contracts because there aren't enough of them.
I agree with all of this rb, but you leave out one simple fact - at a certain point, GB does not have a choice in the matter. Aaron WILL get older, his performance WILL decline, he WILL get injured again and it WILL be more difficult for him to regain peak form. The org can't stick its head in the sand and pretend it's not going to happen, they need to prepare for it and at least TRY to bridge over to another stud QB at some point.

Next year we have two first round picks, which is in theory good ammo to move up higher in the first for a really good QB prospect. Maybe it's early to make that move for the next QB but it may be better than doing it too late.
 

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he org can't stick its head in the sand and pretend it's not going to happen, they need to prepare for it and at least TRY to bridge over to another stud QB at some point.
i'm not saying that we shouldn't try to find the next franchise qb. i'm just saying i disagree with those who seem to want to push rodgers out the door as quickly as possible so we don't have to spend so much on the position.
 

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Agree rb.

Since 2000, only 3 non-franchise type QB's have won a SB were Trent Dilfer (BALT/2000), Brad Johnson (Tampa/2002), and Nick Foles (PHILLY 2017), every other SB winning team has had a franchise QB and its a pretty short list.
Brady
Roethlisberger
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
Wilson
Flacco
(That's 8 QB's covering 15 SB's)
Dilfer, Johnson, and Foles had dominating defenses that helped make it happen.
I would not call Flacco a franchise QB. He had a great D and he played the best games of his life in that playoff run and has never been able to come close to playing at that level again.
 

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Foles had no defense. Eagles def gave up 33 points and over 600 yards. Brady threw for 500 and three Pat's received went over 100 yards
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He may never do much again but he won that SB for them. Unlike Dilfer and Flacco who did have great def

yeah, foles had a career season and a career game. no matter what else happens to him, he can retire knowing that he stepped into a tough spot and played lights-out football long enough to take his team to the championship. a once in a lifetime story. the kind of thing that movies are made about.
 

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i'm not saying that we shouldn't try to find the next franchise qb. i'm just saying i disagree with those who seem to want to push rodgers out the door as quickly as possible so we don't have to spend so much on the position.
Yup. Which is why I extend him no matter what. It's just money.

I really just want them to stop playing games with scrub backup QBs like Hundley, Kizer, Harrell, etc.
 

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Yup. Which is why I extend him no matter what. It's just money.

I really just want them to stop playing games with scrub backup QBs like Hundley, Kizer, Harrell, etc.
I agree after Rodgers got hurt this past year I was hoping it would have shown them the need to have a legit veteran QB they could have as a backup in case Rodgers went down again. No one is going to be worried about Kizer beating them if Rodgers went down.
 

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Sometimes teams get lucky, and they have someone in the wings that they didn't even know has that magical quality to step in and be the new "franchise QB."

Tom Brady is an example. I don't believe for a moment the Patriots didn't anticipate Drew Bledsoe returning and becoming their QB after he rehabbed his injury. What made that kind of unique is that Bredsoe wasn't all that good of a QB with the Pats, regardless of what people want to believe. His QB ratings with the Pats was under 80, and when it came to playoffs, he wasn't even close, at about 55. Belichek had a "caretaker QB" on the field, and was winning with defense more than offense. What Brady did was nearly unexpected. There was absolutely nothing that could predict the type of career he's had. His college work was decent, but nowhere near what anyone could say is spectacular. He was picked in the 6th round of the draft.

What Brady offered was someone who sat on the sidelines and learned the game, honing his skills, and developing his personal level of playing ability "within a system" that he was fit to run. I keep throwing that out in comments because you just couldn't use a Michael Vick in the Patriots system, and win games. He was a loose cannon on the field, and didn't have the patience and smarts to read what's "gonna happen" like Brady can.

It's what separates Brady and Rodgers from others in today's game. A little behind them in this skill would be Luck, Big Ben, Breez, and Rivers. You may add names, or subtract if you'd like, this is just my opinion. You could make a case for adding Ryan to this list, and possibly even Wilson, in my opinion, but they're a couple inches behind tier 2.

If the Packers pull the trigger next year, it will take two years on the bench, learning, and development, before the guy is even ready to think about getting real field time. In the third year, he would be ready to step in, if needed, and could develop the rest of the way in games. Before then? You're going to hurt a guy who isn't ready. Confidence is so darned much of the battle, and it can be shaken easily.

Next year is the perfect time to grab the next QB, if there's one out there, that could be considered the right person. It don't need to be in the first or second round, but it must be someone that has the specific attributes that allows him to be coached into being the right guy to step in, when he's needed. Way too often teams look at a guy out there and grab him, because he's good, and he ends up a square peg who can't fit into that round hole.
 
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