Ted overrated as a GM and draft guru?

[GBP4EVER]

Many say Ted is a top GM in the NFL and very good at the NFL draft. Well for a team that is built 99.9% on the draft history shows that Ted is not getting it done in the money rounds (1-3)

Since 2011 here is what we have left on the rosters

2011-(10)-Only Cobb is left

2012-(8)-Only Perry and Daniels are left

2013-(11)-Jones,Lacy,Bakhtiari,Tretter,Hyde

2014-(9)-Dix,Adams,Rodgers,Linsley,Janis,Goodson

Out of these 14 players only 7 are drafted in the first 3 rounds and 3 of them are from the 2014 class.

This shows us that Ted might watch a lot of tape on guys but he is not watching for players that fit what we run in GB. He is looking for talent only and you can't do that because talent can not overcome being a different type of player than what is run in Green Bay.

 

[eyecatcher]

For perspective,

Belicheck's picks left from the same years,

2011 -(9) Only Marcus Cannon

2012-(7) Dont'a Hightower, Nate Ebner

2013 -(7) Logan Ryan, Duran Harmon

2014 -(9) Jimmy Garoppolo, James White, Cameron Flemming.

Good old Bill only has 8 players left from those drafts and only 4 of them were drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. Zero were 1st round picks.

No blue chippers in that list. What does this tell us. Drafting late is tough.

 

[GBP4EVER]

For perspective,

Belicheck's picks left from the same years,

2011 -(9) Only Marcus Cannon

2012-(7) Dont'a Hightower, Nate Ebner

2013 -(7) Logan Ryan, Duran Harmon

2014 -(9) Jimmy Garoppolo, James White, Cameron Flemming.

Good old Bill only has 8 players left from those drafts and only 4 of them were drafted in the 1st 3 rounds. Zero were 1st round picks.

No blue chippers in that list. What does this tell us. Drafting late is tough.

But this also goes to show you that while they have not drafted well they have also went out and used FA though to help fill the holes they have. That is something Ted won't do he will go out and fill our holes with UDFA's.

 

[eyecatcher]

But this also goes to show you that while they have not drafted well they have also went out and used FA though to help fill the holes they have. That is something Ted won't do he will go out and fill our holes with UDFA's.

That is a different argument. You argued that Ted can't evaluate talent and picking guys that fit the system. I agree he is too conservative when it comes to FA use but the fact is neither GM has landed any real Blue Chip players in the last few drafts. Maybe it's more about using the talent you have and getting more out of it. Maybe MM should get more blame than I thought.

 

[GBP4EVER]

That is a different argument. You argued that Ted can't evaluate talent and picking guys that fit the system. I agree he is too conservative when it comes to FA use but the fact is neither GM has landed any real Blue Chip players in the last few drafts. Maybe it's more about using the talent you have and getting more out of it. Maybe MM should get more blame than I thought.

Did not TT once say it's his job to draft players and it's MM's job to figure out how to use them? I have said for years TT draft's a square peg and then expects MM to figure out how to make it fit in a round hole. I have never liked how Ted loves to draft players and convert them to a different positon or expect his OL to be able to play more then one spot on the OL. Last time I can remember Ted drafted either a DL or LB that fit a 3-4 was in 09 the first year we were switching to a 3-4 and he went with Raji and Matthews. Since then it seems we have been taking 4-3 guys and making them work in a 3-4 scheme.

 

[Nerd]

There are two issues here.

One is Aaron Rodgers. He is not right. Whether he is tanking games out of spite against Mike McCarthy or whether he's just "lost it," he needs to get with the program. He needs to STFU and hit the open guy. Take a three step drop. GET THE BALL OUT. Execute the damn offense.

The second is injuries. How many teams could lose their TOP THREE CBs and still line up on Sundays? It is only BECAUSE OF TED that we even still have a chance.

For every Nick Collins Ted drafts, he has to redraft a Clinton Dix. For every Jermicheal Finley, he has to re-acquire a Jared Cook. For every Eddie Lacy, he loses a JOhnathan Franklin. This training staff couldn't train it's way out of a paper bag.

We've got guys looking locally for yoga instructors. We've got our star tailback working out with an INFORMERCIAL guy. These people CLEARLY have no confidence in the trainers in-house at 1245.

Ted can get us the players. We just need to keep them on the field. Remember the playoff game against 'Zona last year? We were on our 7th and 8th WRs, and we still took them to OT. THANK YOU TED.

 

[Nerd]

Did not TT once say it's his job to draft players and it's MM's job to figure out how to use them? I have said for years TT draft's a square peg and then expects MM to figure out how to make it fit in a round hole. I have never liked how Ted loves to draft players and convert them to a different positon or expect his OL to be able to play more then one spot on the OL. Last time I can remember Ted drafted either a DL or LB that fit a 3-4 was in 09 the first year we were switching to a 3-4 and he went with Raji and Matthews. Since then it seems we have been taking 4-3 guys and making them work in a 3-4 scheme.

For the first 5 years, Mike was requesting "smaller, quicker" Olinemen. He was obsessed with that zone blocking BS. Lately, Dom has been asking for 'tweeners on defense.

Neither Mike nor Dom are smart enough to win a chess match agasint other NFL level talent. They both know this. So Mike doesn't "scheme guys open," he goes for "matchups." He wants his players to just go out there and "beat their man." Dom does something similar. He WANTS 'tweeners out there, so he can switch them around at the last minute into new formations, without having to substitute. He's never caught with the "wrong personnel," but he's never really got the right ones out there either.

 

[Dubz41]

That is a different argument. You argued that Ted can't evaluate talent and picking guys that fit the system. I agree he is too conservative when it comes to FA use but the fact is neither GM has landed any real Blue Chip players in the last few drafts. Maybe it's more about using the talent you have and getting more out of it. Maybe MM should get more blame than I thought.

We really don't have to blame people for having to draft in the mid to upper 20s every draft, every round. The difference is the Pats use FA and TT doesn't. Might have more to do with the Pats having one owner and the Pack's BOD.
TT IS a pretty good scout, maybe he would like to step aside and just scout for as long as he likes, while we get someone to run the whole business of acquiring talent.

 

[TW]

For the first 5 years, Mike was requesting "smaller, quicker" Olinemen. He was obsessed with that zone blocking BS. Lately, Dom has been asking for 'tweeners on defense.

Neither Mike nor Dom are smart enough to win a chess match agasint other NFL level talent. They both know this. So Mike doesn't "scheme guys open," he goes for "matchups." He wants his players to just go out there and "beat their man." Dom does something similar. He WANTS 'tweeners out there, so he can switch them around at the last minute into new formations, without having to substitute. He's never caught with the "wrong personnel," but he's never really got the right ones out there either.

Excellent post Nerd! We should all think about what this says. It covers the spectrum of how Thompson drafts, and why. It also speaks volumes about how predictable we are on offense and defense.

 

[eyecatcher]

We really don't have to blame people for having to draft in the mid to upper 20s every draft, every round. The difference is the Pats use FA and TT doesn't. Might have more to do with the Pats having one owner and the Pack's BOD.
TT IS a pretty good scout, maybe he would like to step aside and just scout for as long as he likes, while we get someone to run the whole business of acquiring talent.

Not blaming anyone for drafting late as that is a result of success. If anything I'm arguing that TT is actually doing a pretty good job of drafting and I'm blaming MM for not utilizing the talent he has as well as he could. A good coach with Rodgers at the helm should be able to get guys open. There is no way every team the Packers are playing have all pro CBs that can shut down our receivers. One of the most successful games the Pack have had, Montgomery was used out of the backfield and caught 10+ passes. That opened up things for Jordy and Adams as well but we haven't seen much effort to repeat that. It was done out of necessity but it worked. MM needs to be creative like that every week. That is why the Patriots are as successful as they are right now. Belichecks offense is different every week.