Sometimes I forget which forum is aware of my (admittedly personal) viewpoint. I don't care about making the playoffs year after year, I only care about winning it all. So, again just my own viewpoint, the Broncos and Pack are tied for success. And, Elway may still be able to put together a team that can (fill in your own standards) - when his approach actually fails (I'd be willing to go through several rebuilding years for the next Lombardi), then we can bring this out of the archives for additional discussion.