Post Game Thread : Packers Sneak By Bears 30-27

The corners play prevent the entire game. It isn't just a thing that happens once they get a lead. We have had some lucky INTs as a result of the bad overthrows and receivers tipping balls. There were plenty of things to be happy about and plenty of things to be concerned about in last weeks blow out win over Seattle. This week was no different. The big difference in this game to last weeks game was o-line play by the opponent. Wilson was pressured last week and Barkley wasn't this week. Give an NFL QB time and they will pick you apart.
 
TW said:
Pugger - It's a good thing we had to send the saws out to be sharpened, or the dissection would have already started.

What still puzzles me is why the Packers coaching staff hasn't gotten it through their thick skulls that the "prevent defense" we keep going into - with a lead - is nothing more than a form of slow death? We've watched leads, and games evaporate into losses, yet, they keep coming back with the same old unimaginative plan to create a nightmare for fans.

I wouldn't even bother to ask Capers, or McCarthy, as to why they do this, because they'd get mad, and give us some comment like McCarthy does laden with "execution" being the issue, not the play's design, or when it's called.

I'm afraid really good teams can test us, and end up outscoring us, in the playoffs.
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If you think that this team is getting thrashed playing zone it would be you do and damed if you don't. be worse playing man to man. Our CB have poor techniques and the lack of a pass rush forces us to play more zone. Look at Washington game as exhibit 1
 
Man or zone is part of the equation, but not the systemic problem. It's a question of personnel on the field. The Packers are so specialist conscious that they have packages that don't include, and don't have the capability, of using a blitz as an option. Teams see this, and change plays at the line of scrimmage to take advantage of the type of rush they'll see.

It wasn't coincidental that the Bears made that comeback. It was based on pure reads of the defense by Barkley.

We've become so darned predictable on both sides of the ball.
 
TW said:
Man or zone is part of the equation, but not the systemic problem. It's a question of personnel on the field. The Packers are so specialist conscious that they have packages that don't include, and don't have the capability, of using a blitz as an option. Teams see this, and change plays at the line of scrimmage to take advantage of the type of rush they'll see.

It wasn't coincidental that the Bears made that comeback. It was based on pure reads of the defense by Barkley.

We've become so darned predictable on both sides of the ball.
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Yes it is personel. We are very limited what we can do. If you blitz you expose out DB in man coverage which they struggle in. If you play zone you play softer. Damn if you do. Damn if you don't.

And when we blitz we can't get home and make a play. Second half of Washington game was the perfect example.
 
Which again brings it back to depth and talent as well as position coaches.

TT is a major problem with not bringing in FA's and MM is a stubborn ass who doesn't fire people when they should be fired.

I rest my case. titanic(DHH(hof(
 
Packinatl said:
Yes it is personel. We are very limited what we can do. If you blitz you expose out DB in man coverage which they struggle in. If you play zone you play softer. Damn if you do. Damn if you don't.

And when we blitz we can't get home and make a play. Second half of Washington game was the perfect example.
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A good DC finds ways to match his personal to scheme that doesn't expose them. While I fully agree and have for some time the personal especially depth is sub standard I can tell you( 30 years playing/coaching D) and can find others as well the scheme is awful at times. Your screwed when one doesn't work... when both are out off kilter oh boy.tc(
 
Exactly the point Mark. A good DC would realize that despite certain shortcomings with individual play, you need to have the capability of using different personnel packages in unpredictable ways, to insure the opposition can't read into plays that are almost a guarantee to be effective.

A perfect example is how we end up being exposed in the mid-range passing zone, from roughly 8 to 15 yards deep, with one personnel package. As soon as we get a lead, we end up using that package and exposed in the 8 to 15 yard range, inside the hash marks. It's when the party starts. The Bears exploited it, the Redskins exploited it.... everyone exploits it, and we end up looking horrible late in games.

One thing we need to understand. This does not happen until we get a lead. It only happens when we're in a position where we can win the game, if we can play loose between the 20s. Therefore, it isn't something that just "happens," it's something that's orchestrated specifically by how we set up and play defense. We do it, and they exploit it.

Several years ago, when we were a high powered scoring machine, McCarthy even indicated that we were a team that would "milk the clock" by keeping the ball in front of us on defense, when we had leads. To me, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. You never give a sucker an even break out there, because when you do, they break off long TD runs, or passes, and leave you questioning if you let your foot off the gas too soon.

Regardless of what anyone wants to think, this is the reality of what we see week after week, and it deals with other teams knowing what we're going to do, and playing to exploit it. Predictable play calling in the NFL can take any team down, no matter how good they are.
 
TW said:
Pugger - It's a good thing we had to send the saws out to be sharpened, or the dissection would have already started.

What still puzzles me is why the Packers coaching staff hasn't gotten it through their thick skulls that the "prevent defense" we keep going into - with a lead - is nothing more than a form of slow death? We've watched leads, and games evaporate into losses, yet, they keep coming back with the same old unimaginative plan to create a nightmare for fans.

I wouldn't even bother to ask Capers, or McCarthy, as to why they do this, because they'd get mad, and give us some comment like McCarthy does laden with "execution" being the issue, not the play's design, or when it's called.

I'm afraid really good teams can test us, and end up outscoring us, in the playoffs.
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Our coaching staff isn't the only bunch who still screws around with that stupid "prevent defense". Why in the world do DCs change what is working and allow offenses to march right down the field in the waning moments of football halves/games? cra)
 
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