Post Game Bears Beat GB 31-27

WingT22 said:
You can parse this any way you want, or grind whatever axe is closest at hand.

Special teams is the easiest call, and no one is going to shed tears for Bisaccia or McManus getting shown the door. But they say success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. That can’t be allowed to pass anymore. Every level of this organization had its fingerprints all over this thing.

Both lines were bad, and they’ve been a problem all year, and they were unacceptably shallow all year. And the entire world knew CB was a glaring weakness. Wouldn’t you know it, those things still hurt the Packers last night. That’s on Gutekunst.

Hafley sounds great at the mic, but his defense just gave up a historic comeback to a QB that routinely can’t hit the broadside of a barn and for whom they had no answers. Nothing he dialed up worked late and while you can say the third quarter offense did his group no favors, I’m not going to defend 25 late points given up when the offense didn’t turn the ball over. That doesn’t fly.

And the offense. The magic is gone on the o-line. Steno and Butkus are out of leash. They made their bones on getting maximum production out of some B-grade investment there, but they’re running on reputation and it hasn’t been reality for a while. That second half screamed for ball control and churning some ground yards and they got stuffed in a locker by a Bears front that doesn’t intimidate anyone.

But when the chips are down, and everything else is falling down around their ears, the one thing that has to be a constant in Green Bay is the QB and playcaller. At the very least, they have to know how to move the sticks, play situationally sound football, and bleed out a trailing opponent, especially an inferior one (though at this rate, it’ll be nearly impossible to say the Bears should be dogs in next year’s matchups). LaFleur and Love have accomplished much that can be praised, and they were always going to look diminished after Rodgers left. But even accounting for that, they choked again in the second half of a playoff game. They come up small in the biggest moments.

But the point is, the whole team comes up small. Running it back is unthinkable, but once you start firing one person, I can’t fathom how you’d defend any of the others when it’s been this bad. The whole team needs a new identity. I can’t see any other way forward.
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This right here, all of it. And speaking of identity, what identity do they actually have? Anyone can answer that, just putting it out there. I am not a fire ML person. He has to take some responsibility for this though and his coaching staff. Gutenkunst needs to be gone immediately and the talent acquisition gutted as well. This has become systemic and it's about roster building philosophy and it's failed miserably. To keep this GM and his staff is tantamount to insanity and expecting different results will be foolish. More of the same, year in and year out, regardless of coaching.
 
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I think the case for firings/house cleaning is this: since 2019 they have largely been a playoff team but have lost because of a combination of roster holes and conservative, inconsistent play calling and poor execution. The team takes on the personality of their coach, and ML has just been so tight in the playoffs.

Ed Policy inherited these two, he inherited this history of playoff failure. As a new team President if he retains or extends them, now he's putting his own name on it. Not a lot of CEOs would just keep the old guys who have had these failures. The injuries were devastating this year but it's a forest for the trees situation, you have to look back at their entire term together.

I dunno, I'm still trying to stay levelheaded and whatever happens happens, but if he does move on from one or both, I'd get it.
 
rpiotr01 said:
I think the case for firings/house cleaning is this: since 2019 they have largely been a playoff team but have lost because of a combination of roster holes and conservative, inconsistent play calling and poor execution. The team takes on the personality of their coach, and ML has just been so tight in the playoffs.

Ed Policy inherited these two, he inherited this history of playoff failure. As a new team President if he retains or extends them, now he's putting his own name on it. Not a lot of CEOs would just keep the old guys who have had these failures. The injuries were devastating this year but it's a forest for the trees situation, you have to look back at their entire term together.

I dunno, I'm still trying to stay levelheaded and whatever happens happens, but if he does move on from one or both, I'd get it.
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That's a pretty good case right there, rp. I can see then logic in it as well. I also don't understand why you can't buck the norm and bring in a GM and personnel staff that wants to work with ML and you make that part of the hiring stipulations. I don't know why a GM would want to let ML go. Many organizations, imo, would be lining up waiting for ML to be take their job.
 
rpiotr01 said:
Ed Policy
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Was on the plane when he, Gute and Murphy hired MLF... he also signed off on the Parsons trade, knowing the risk and that, if it failed, his name would be on it... you have to factor that in the equation.
MLF easily becomes the top available HC in the cycle if Green Bay moves on...If the policy is wrong and MLF wins elsewhere, he and this whole front office are forever tarnished by it.
Lots of risk no matter which way they go.
 
Badger said:
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That and not getting into the cycle of hiring HCs and then keeping the same front office staff who can't build a roster worth squat. ML may need to make some staffing changes but that roster is the problem. Get rid of GM and his staff, look outside the organization, and maybe, just maybe things turn around, finally.
 
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