AB to Packers, anyone!?!?

TW said:
As the NFL slowly turns into a group of wealthy teams that will have it all. At the top? Pats in the AFC, and the Cowboys in the NFC. They'll buy championships just like we've seen in MLB.
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NFL = salary cap. = parity. And the last year the cowboys won a playoff game was when?
 
Packinatl said:
NFL = salary cap. = parity. And the last year the cowboys won a playoff game was when?
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If you want to believe parity is a reality, I'd like to offer you an opportunity to by ocean front property in Nevada. The reality is, free agents can sign where they choose. Signing with the Pats is a huge opportunity to get a ring, and to those who already have enough money salted away, it's their ultimate goal. We've seen it happen with Randy Moss, and a dozen others, who have signed with the Pats who aren't offering the most money for their services.

I don't object to this happening - in a way - but I do believe that when you talk parity, it's an illusion. There's a reason some teams stay at the top, or near the top, while others are scrubbing out wins year after year, no matter who ends up as GM and Head Coach. Once in a while, they'll have a year with success, but that's simply a matter of luck, based on guys actually performing up to their capability level.

As for why Jones didn't pursue him harder, in Dallas, I'm not certain we can say he didn't. The lure of the ring in New England would have well been more of an incentive for Brown, in my opinion. Then there's perks. I have no idea what kind Kraft has cooked up that will benefit Brown even more than his salary. But, rest assured, they're out there, or Brown wouldn't have rejected offers from other teams who were more than likely offering more, but were less likely to help him get a ring.

Parity has been dead for decades. The talk of Green Bay being the "Siberia of football" is still well remembered to a lot of us. The Packers couldn't compete back then, and in reality, had we not been lucky enough to get someone as charismatic as Favre as our QB, there's a good chance the Packers would be dwelling at the same level as Jacksonville always has.
 
TW said:
If you want to believe parity is a reality, I'd like to offer you an opportunity to by ocean front property in Nevada. The reality is, free agents can sign where they choose. Signing with the Pats is a huge opportunity to get a ring, and to those who already have enough money salted away, it's their ultimate goal. We've seen it happen with Randy Moss, and a dozen others, who have signed with the Pats who aren't offering the most money for their services.

I don't object to this happening - in a way - but I do believe that when you talk parity, it's an illusion. There's a reason some teams stay at the top, or near the top, while others are scrubbing out wins year after year, no matter who ends up as GM and Head Coach. Once in a while, they'll have a year with success, but that's simply a matter of luck, based on guys actually performing up to their capability level.

As for why Jones didn't pursue him harder, in Dallas, I'm not certain we can say he didn't. The lure of the ring in New England would have well been more of an incentive for Brown, in my opinion. Then there's perks. I have no idea what kind Kraft has cooked up that will benefit Brown even more than his salary. But, rest assured, they're out there, or Brown wouldn't have rejected offers from other teams who were more than likely offering more, but were less likely to help him get a ring.

Parity has been dead for decades. The talk of Green Bay being the "Siberia of football" is still well remembered to a lot of us. The Packers couldn't compete back then, and in reality, had we not been lucky enough to get someone as charismatic as Favre as our QB, there's a good chance the Packers would be dwelling at the same level as Jacksonville always has.
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Yes its about the organization, from owner down to the GM down to the coach. Just look at GB, Wolf took the gamble and traded for Favre and the hiring of Holmgren who brought a winning culture to the organization. The cap was much different back then, its not apples to apples. Why is NE successful? They call it the Patriot Way for a reason. Its a winning culture, our way or the highway. They take chances on guys like Moss and Gordon where other teams back off. As to Moss, he wanted to play in GB but a certain GB was unable or did not want to pull the trigger.

And yes when it comes to SB Champions there is parity. Since 2000 other than NE here are the teams that won. Tampa, St Louis, Pittsburg (2x), Indy, New York Giants (2x), Nola, Green Bay, Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, Phila, so 12 franchises have won in 19 years. None of those franchises "bought" a championship, they built a team based on the cap.

As to why Brown chose NE, well they tried to trade for him over the summer and Pitt did not want to trade him to a rival in the conference. Why else? Nobody except Cleve or Seattle wanted his act. Did Dallas sure but with the new contract for Zeke, the pending deal for Dak and next up Cooper...no cap space but NE had the $9m under the cap to make it work. Brown has proven its not about the team or a ring, its about him and money
 
realitybytes said:
has he? he walked away from $30 million guaranteed to get $9 million guaranteed. maybe his math skills suck.
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and hes a FA after this year and will cash in again in 2020, but also a $20m option year in 2020 that can be reworded for cap purposes .. this was orchestrated
 
This was shades of Favre and the Vikings, the difference being that Favre played out his time in the place he didn't want to be in order to get to the place he DID want to be. Big picture it looks like Brown really wanted to play for one of a handful of teams all along, and the Raiders weren't one of them. Gruden and Mayock were unwilling and unwitting participants in the whole charade.

The lesson should be, talented players will use that talent as leverage to get exactly what they want.
 
never heard the old saying about a bird in the hand? there's no guarantee that he'll ever get that $21 million back. lots of things could happen.
 
realitybytes said:
never heard the old saying about a bird in the hand? there's no guarantee that he'll ever get that $21 million back. lots of things could happen.
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calculated risk and he gets to play where he wanted too.
 
rpiotr01 said:
This was shades of Favre and the Vikings, the difference being that Favre played out his time in the place he didn't want to be in order to get to the place he DID want to be. Big picture it looks like Brown really wanted to play for one of a handful of teams all along, and the Raiders weren't one of them. Gruden and Mayock were unwilling and unwitting participants in the whole charade.

The lesson should be, talented players will use that talent as leverage to get exactly what they want.
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Favre did play the game in NYC he retired then wanted to come back and the Jets were like here we will cut you not deal with the sideshow and let him go to Minn.
 
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