Post Game: Packers Hang On And Defeat The Bears

Some excellent thoughts and views of what Hundley and the coaching staff are, and are not doing. It makes me wonder if there are people around McCarthy who honestly take the time to inform him of what they personally see, or are they a little afraid to offer criticism for fear of losing their jobs, or being chastised, for not, "following the script."

I threw in "script," because McCarthy is big on it, to start games. In fact, 15 to 20 plays, sometimes more, to start a game. In some cases, that has ended up being as many plays as we get for the first quarter and a half.

Where that was workable, with Rodgers, because of his ability to change plays at the line of scrimmage, knowing his personnel package on the field, and what they could do within specific formations - not so with Hundley, who obviously struggles to understands, or sees what's in front of him, prior to plays, and as they unfold.

If you combine what everyone has said in this thread, you can almost see a pattern where there's a lack of communication. It seems to start with coaches not understanding Hundley's liabilities, and ends with them not using personnel packages that makes it easier for him to change plays, on the fly.

What's kind of scary is that all the negatives pointed out in the scouting reports when he came out for the draft, still seem to exist. Fortunately that didn't stay that way with Rodgers, but maybe we give McCarthy himself way too much credit in developing a QB, and not enough credit to the guys he's worked with, in developing them?

Very interesting info.
 
Holmgren coached up some quality backups. Has MM had that type of success or is Holmgrens success just inflated in my mind because of a few that went on to start for other organizations?

Holmgren's QB coaches: Holmgren's backup QBs:
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{tbody}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Steve Mariucci 1992-95{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Brett Favre 1992{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Marty Mornhinweg 1996{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Ty Detmer 1992-95{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Andy Reid 1997-98{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Mark Brunell 1993-94{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}TJ Rubley 1995{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Jim McMahon 1995-96{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Doug Pederson 1996-98,{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Rick Mirer 1998{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Also, maybe Tom Clements was a good QB coach, just not a good OC/playcaller...?

McCarthy's QB coaches: McCarthy's Backup QBs:
[xtable=544x226]
{tbody}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Tom Clements 2006-2011{/td}
{td=302.03x17}Aaron Rodgers 2006-2007{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Ben McAdoo 2012-2013{/td}
{td=302.03x17}Ingle Martin 2006{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Alex Van Pelt 2014-2017 (2015 was WR+QB){/td}
{td=302.03x17}Todd Bouman 2006{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17.44}
{td=225.97x17.44} {/td}
{td=302.03x17.44}Craig Nall 2007{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17.44}
{td=225.97x17.44} {/td}
{td=302.03x17.44}Brian Brohm 2008-2009{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Matt Flynn 2008-11, 2013-14{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Graham Harrell 2010-2012{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}BJ Coleman 2012{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Seneca Wallace 2013{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Scott Tolzien 2013, 2015{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Brett Hundley 2016-17{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Joe Callahan 2017{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
 
Holmgren's QB coaches: Holmgren's backup QBs:
[xtable=skin1|532.83x150]
{tbody}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Steve Mariucci 1992-95{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Brett Favre 1992{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Marty Mornhinweg 1996{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Ty Detmer 1992-95{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@}Andy Reid 1997-98{/td}
{td=804.83x@}Mark Brunell 1993-94{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}TJ Rubley 1995{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Jim McMahon 1995-96{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Doug Pederson 1996-98,{/td}
{/tr}
{tr}
{td=400x@} {/td}
{td=804.83x@}Rick Mirer 1998{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Also, maybe Tom Clements was a good QB coach, just not a good OC/playcaller...?

McCarthy's QB coaches: McCarthy's Backup QBs:
[xtable=skin1|544x226]
{tbody}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Tom Clements 2006-2011{/td}
{td=302.03x17}Aaron Rodgers 2006-2007{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Ben McAdoo 2012-2013{/td}
{td=302.03x17}Ingle Martin 2006{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17}Alex Van Pelt 2014-2017 (2015 was WR+QB){/td}
{td=302.03x17}Todd Bouman 2006{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17.44}
{td=225.97x17.44} {/td}
{td=302.03x17.44}Craig Nall 2007{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17.44}
{td=225.97x17.44} {/td}
{td=302.03x17.44}Brian Brohm 2008-2009{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Matt Flynn 2008-11, 2013-14{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Graham Harrell 2010-2012{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}BJ Coleman 2012{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Seneca Wallace 2013{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Scott Tolzien 2013, 2015{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Brett Hundley 2016-17{/td}
{/tr}
{tr=@x17}
{td=225.97x17} {/td}
{td=302.03x17}Joe Callahan 2017{/td}
{/tr}
{/tbody}
[/xtable]
Thanks Crease!
 
You're welcome. I feel like there's a few guys missing, especially in the Holmgren era, b/c the data is from packers.com, and I think it only counts players who made the game day rosters and who played in games. Like I had to dig up the additional years for Graham Harrell, Brian Brohm, and BJ Coleman.
 
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