Win today, or win tomorrow?

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Over the next few weeks, we're going to find out exactly where Thompson intends taking the Packers. How he handles our own free agents. How he approaches other free agents. How he views, and picks in the draft will probably be decided before the draft, based on what he envisions doing, with free agents.

Thompson is conservative to a fault. He won't spend a nickel that isn't deemed "guaranteed" by bean counters. Yet, those guarantees aren't guarantees. Great players end up playing part time due to injuries, or play past injuries, and have poor games because of it. You still pay the guy as if he was a super star.

Point in mind, Clay Matthews. Is Matthews worth the money on the table, if the Packers keep him? From a fan perspective, there's going to be a lot of people asking for Thompson to be drawn and quartered if he opts out of Matthews contract, and tries to low ball him. Yet, is he wrong for doing it? The same applies with our offensive linemen. Do we have guys good enough to step up and do adequately, at only a fraction of the cost of a free agent contract? What about Peppers? Say what you want, he was a steal this past year, considering how well he did when they had him on the field. In the McCarthy/Capers system, players are compartmentalized, and assigned specialties. Peppers was one of them. We even saw Matthews off the field in some defensive packages, and not for a rest. It was in dime packages mainly.

Thompson inherited a team that the cap was crushing. He had to make some big decisions that weren't popular at the time. His decisions were made based on the fact that Sherman's push to "win now" had pretty much put us in cap hell. I think he still remembers that, and don't intend going there again. I also believe he sees this team as maybe one or two lucky breaks, and a break through player away from playing in a Super Bowl. That would make him consider his plan of conservative decisions valid. It would mean that he'd see his choices as obviously being right.

That said, is this the year he starts pulling the plug on the veterans left, outside of Rodgers, that have won so many games, but not a championship? Will he keep Rodgers, and do a rebuild around him from the bottom up, or will he find players to plug in, and play, to keep them going the direction he believes they're going?

My opinion is that Thompson will let some free agents go, and try to make it up through the draft. Although we may still win games next year, we are never going to get close enough to win another Lombardi Trophy, unless he pulls out all stops. In the end, Thompson will go down in history with the Packers as the GM who knew how to work a cap, but failed to capitalize on how well he did it.
 
I think he has to start thinking about replacing Rodgers soon as well. 34 yr old QBS don't normally have a lot of tread left on the tires...granted Favre was a tough SOB that went on forever but no guarantee at all Rodgers can match that. In my opinion you have maybe a 2 yr window and then your starting over. Win now
 
TT plays everything close to the vest. The FA class is just meh so my guess is like most years he cleans out some cap space and resigns his FA just as TW suggested. I do think he signs at least one mid/high FA to keep people off the teams backside though.

I really don't see this franchise changing how they go about things until they suffer a 6 win season and the natives fully become restless. Until then status quo. Nice thread TW.
 
I think he has to start thinking about replacing Rodgers soon as well. 34 yr old QBS don't normally have a lot of tread left on the tires...granted Favre was a tough SOB that went on forever but no guarantee at all Rodgers can match that. In my opinion you have maybe a 2 yr window and then your starting over. Win now
Agree at some point soon you need to draft a QB round 1 or 2 and groom him the same way Rodgers was and no are current #2 he was a bargain back up isn't it. Only problem is I don't see that QB out there in the next 2 drafts.
 
Times have changed in the NFL. The days of a solid #2 QB on a team are pretty well gone. It's a money game. Because of so many teams, and QBs failing, any back up QB with even a glimmer of hope being a solid contributor, is offered enormous money in free agency, and rightfully so, they jump at the opportunity to get it.

Think back about the last 10 to 15 years of free agent QBs, who've signed big contracts moving to another team, then count the number of them that actually led their new teams to the Super Bowl? It just doesn't happen.

I know this sounds goofy, but most QBs are really "system QBs." They play great in a specific system, but when they are out of that environment, they fold like a house of cards. They just can't assimilate into a new system and be productive.

The only reason Payton Manning was successful was that they accepted his offense from Indianapolis, in Denver. Elway recognized that fact, and knew it was how it had to be, to work.

When Osweiler jumped to the Texans, Elway knew he'd be mediocre, at best. He also knew that if Osweiler wanted to be a real success, he needed to stay in Denver, where they system would suit him, and his talent. But, money talks.

If you look around the league, the QBs on the field, who are most successful, are all home grown talent. They learned the "system," and grew within it.

I mention all this because you're all right about it being time for Thompson to take a serious look at who's out there, in the draft, who can assimilate over a 3 to 5 year period of time, into being the replacement for Rodgers. It should be done, just like they did with Rodgers, for Favre. Let the system determine the direction.
 
I like Hundley, but he needs to improve his accuracy. That will come with improving mechanics.

Word is, Ted might make some moves this year. Personally, I like the way he does things. What holds us back is injuries. This training staff can't keep guys on the field. We've got players scouring Green Bay for yoga instructors and our star HB would rather train with that infomercial guy. FP(

It's these "Ted Thompson scrubs" that save our asses every damn year. This year CB was decimated. Last year it was WR. We were thin at RB this year too. But Ted always has 7th stringers who can play.
 
Win today or win tomorrow.....I would take either but it seems to be neither. Win tomorrow started back after the 2010 season and it's yet to materialize. TT and MM speak as if every year the goal is a Super Bowl but win today does not fit into that goal as seen by his historical lack of delving into FA. It's a status quo type of team where winning the division and a playoff game will suffice. It's a perpetual win tomorrow attitude that is shrouded in win today coachspeak.
 
We were thin at RB this year too. But Ted always has 7th stringers who can play.

i actually approve of the way we handled the problem at running back this year. montgomery was underutilized as a receiver and he did more than a passable job as a running back. and, i think ted made a genuine attempt to bring in a proven vet by bringing christine michael onboard - even if he never really got a legitimate shot at being the featured back.

as to the original question of this post, i'm not as pessimistic about the remaining life of aaron rodgers as many of you are. i don't think it's time to bring in his replacement. but i sure would love to see ted thompson go all-in to build a short-term (2-3 years) team to bring home the lombardi trophy.
 
I believe they're going to use Montgomery like they'd hoped to use Cobb, a few years ago. Montgomery is a better runner, tackle-to-tackle, which helps. It also means they can go with an RB, no FB, and it can spread out into an empty backfield set in a heartbeat. It forces other teams to play a nickel back, and dime back, more than they'd like.

I'm anxious to see how it plays out with him back there more than he was this year. I think it's going to improve our passing game considerably.
 
Win today or win tomorrow.....I would take either but it seems to be neither. Win tomorrow started back after the 2010 season and it's yet to materialize. TT and MM speak as if every year the goal is a Super Bowl but win today does not fit into that goal as seen by his historical lack of delving into FA. It's a status quo type of team where winning the division and a playoff game will suffice. It's a perpetual win tomorrow attitude that is shrouded in win today coachspeak.
Ted isn't what cost us in the NFCCG v Seattle. And the two years after that, I could make the argument that Ted's greater than usual depth is all that kept us afloat.
 
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